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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 6 February 2024
Kenneth Gibson
You talked about complexity, which was one of the issues raised by the Law Society of Scotland. It said:
“The law relating to the ADS is complex and nuanced. We do not consider that the amendments in and of themselves will simplify the law in this area – and in some cases may complicate the position for certain taxpayers depending on their circumstances.”
I am sure that colleagues may wish to give examples of those complications, which are in their papers.
What is your view on that? One would have thought that the whole purpose of this was clarity and simplification, yet the Law Society of Scotland appears to be of the view that the opposite is the case.
09:15Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2024 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The only item on our public agenda today is an evidence session with the Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport, on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill’s financial memorandum. The minister is joined today by Scottish Government officials Donna Bell, who is the director of social care and national care service development; Lee Flannigan, who is national care service senior finance manager; and Richard McCallum, who is the director of health and social care finance, digital and governance.
I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite the minister to make a short opening statement. Good morning, minister.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Again, that makes one wonder why there is almost a go-slow in delivery of the legislation. The legislation will be enacted four years after stage 1. If the legislation is going to deliver such savings and such improvements to people’s lives—which I think everyone wants—it is worrying that it will not be implemented next year or the year after, but in 2028 or 2029.
We have all had a letter from Social Work Scotland, which has been trailed in the media, that questions the 25 per cent that you talked about and whether it is in real terms, cash terms or somewhere in between.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Instead of my sitting here and wading through all the numbers that I have piled up in front of me, will you tell us what the differential would be in those years?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
I am just wondering when we will get that, because that will enable us to compare the spend with other budget lines in the Scottish budget, which is of fundamental importance.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
That is very helpful.
On Tuesday, I made a point about the assumption in the financial memorandum that, in the first eight years, expenditure will rise by 41.5 per cent across all areas of social care services—adult social care, children, families, justice social work and the service strategy. That includes the 2 per cent that you have allowed for inflation plus 3 per cent real-terms growth. That means growth of about 25 per cent to 2031-32. However, minister, you have already said that the extra £840 million that will be allocated to social care staff is a cash-terms figure.
How will that expenditure be protected in real terms if, at the end of the day, over this session of Parliament, you are talking about a 25 per cent increase only in cash terms? It looks as though separate measures are being used and that one of them is not being increased by inflation plus 3 per cent.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
No—forget the original memorandum. I am looking at where we are now. What are the margins under the financial memorandum now?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Sure.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
There is also prevention, of course, if the system is implemented. John Mason and I have been on this committee for a long time, and we discussed exactly the same thing in 2011 and 2012. Unfortunately, the delivery of prevention seems to be a different ball game from talking about it, because the delivery is just not happening to the degree that we want it to.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you for that very helpful and informative introduction.
I had intended to start where we left off on Tuesday. I still intend to do that in a couple of minutes, but I notice that you said that there was some misreporting of the finances in relation to our deliberations on Tuesday. Could you provide some clarification of that and put the position correctly on the record?