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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Incidentally, the full-time-equivalent public sector workforce in Scotland is 469,100, according to the medium-term financial strategy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I could have asked more questions, but we have all got lives outside this committee, and I think that we need to start living them. Thank you very much for your evidence today—it is very much appreciated.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. The next item on our agenda, which we will discuss in private, is consideration of our work programme, and there will be a one-minute break to allow our witnesses, the official report and broadcasting to leave.

13:07 Meeting continued in private until 13:09.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much.

I think that that concludes the committee’s questions. It has been a long shift, cabinet secretary, but do you have any further points that you want to make?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for your contributions this morning. Are there any further points that you want to make to the committee before we wind up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. I open up the session to questions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. You can end up in a vicious circle rather than a virtuous circle.

I open up the session to colleagues around the table.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If you have the same workforce and you are injecting cash, you get an inflationary boost, but when the capital starts to tail off, as it will over the next five years, you can do less with it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One would have thought that steady growth would be better, to allow capacity to increase. However, it is about the impact of this on real people, in real communities. When we talk about capital spending we have to consider that a huge chunk of it is for routine maintenance—people forget that and they think that capital is just spent on building things—which means that there is less money for new projects, which then have to be delayed. Is that right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One of the issues that will cause difficulties is the reconciliation with regard to income tax. There will be £406 million applied to next year’s budget, which is a nice wee bonus for the Scottish Government. However, there will then be a subsequent negative reconciliation of £851 million, which exceeds the reserves. What impact will that have on the Scottish budget?

09:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The numbers are quite stark: the number of people on adult disability payment will rise to more than 700,000 in the next five years. Are people in Scotland really becoming that much more unhealthy?