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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

You have said in your submission that you

“cannot accept an economic situation which allows for private sector employers in Freeport areas to increase profits as a result of government subsidies while vital local public services that our communities and those in greatest need depend upon, are allowed to wither on the vine.”

Where is the evidence that that will happen? The whole point is to create economic growth, which will increase tax revenues, which will allow further revenues overall for the Government to invest in services.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will put a lot of these questions to the minister when he gives evidence, to find out what he has to say.

David, what kind of jobs and what kind of businesses do you envisage will go to the freeports?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think for a minute that there will be 100 per cent displacement, but I do not think that there will be zero displacement either; it is bound to be somewhere between the two. That is a concern. Do our guests have any evidence on what level of displacement they think there is likely to be? I will ask the Scottish Government about that specific issue, but are you able to give us best and worst scenarios?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Anyone who has read the latest issue of Private Eye will have seen the comments about the alleged shenanigans going on in Teesside, where a freeport is being developed. One of the issues about displacement is that, if there was not a freeport in Leith, perhaps there would be displacement to Teesside. Perhaps that was one of the reasons why Leith was considered as a location.

Let me turn back to David Melhuish. You raised concern about forward funding arrangements. Could you elaborate a wee bit on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will open it up to colleagues around the table, but I have a final question for Derek Thomson and Liz Cairns. You said in response to question 3 that

“Unite would argue that there is a deliberate lack of clarity on whether trade unions will be able to access and organise workers operating within the zones, and to bargain with employers over pay, terms and conditions.”

Who do you think is responsible for that lack of clarity?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I call Jamie Halcro Johnston.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. That concludes questions from the committee. Are our witnesses happy to make any further points to the committee on something that has not been covered? If you feel that we have not asked anything that you would like to mention, now is your chance.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for those final points, which are much appreciated, and for taking the time to give evidence to the committee. We will continue to take evidence on the draft order next week when we will hear from the Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance and take a decision on whether we ought to approve the order.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. The next item on our agenda is consideration of our work programme.

11:58 Meeting continued in private until 12:05.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Well, not from existing jobs. You have talked about displacement. If people are going to be displaced, they will not be displaced on the basis of lower wages and poorer working conditions, will they?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you very much for your evidence this morning. It was very helpful to the committee. We will continue taking evidence on this subject after the summer recess.

That concludes our public evidence taking. As the next item on our agenda will be taken in private, I will call a five-minute recess to allow our witnesses to leave.

11:01 Meeting continued in private until 11:24.