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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The first issue that I want to touch on is Whitehall transfers, in which, unusually, there is a reduction—we have become used to getting an increase in them. I note, in particular, a reduction of £37.74 million in city deals funding from His Majesty’s Treasury. I have recently asked questions about the Ayrshire growth deal; although it was signed in 2020 to great cross-party fanfare by the Labour local authorities, the United Kingdom Conservative Government, as it was, and the Scottish National Party Government, we havenae seen much action on it. The response that has come back has been, “Oh, well, Covid caused a slowdown.”

There was a wee bit of a flurry of activity in Ayrshire yesterday, but I am concerned about the overall delivery of city deal projects. It is said that the funding from the Treasury is being reduced because of the situation with city deals. Where are we with moving the deals forward? I think that all of us around the table have city deals in our areas that need to see progress.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Monumental?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You will be glad to know that I have a couple more questions before I open it up to the committee, minister.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is there a reason why the finance and local government portfolio was chosen? Could the money have been placed in any portfolio? Going forward, this is going to be a regular situation—assuming that such sums are available in future years, which, of course, they might not be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think that anyone is in favour of compulsory redundancies per se, but it is important to optimise the delivery of services. If, in order to continue paying people who, frankly, no longer have the required skills and are effectively not able to deliver the services that are needed, you have to give others over and above what you would like to and say, “Look, if we give you this shedload of money, will you just leave?” We all know that is happening and that it is just inefficient, ineffective, expensive and not really affordable in the long term.

On what you said about the contingent workforce, it is important to put on the record that some £200 million savings have been brought about through the work that the Government is doing, which is very positive. However, we are looking for flexibility. Everybody accepts a one, two or three-year thing during a crisis, but the Government is bringing in policies such as that ludicrous one of not giving ministers a pay rise for 17 years or whatever it is, which, let us be honest, is just bonkers. I see that you are smiling, cabinet secretary, but you know that it is; people are bewildered by it, frankly. The Government must occasionally revisit policies; they should not be written on tablets of stone. That lack of flexibility means that we do not have the efficient delivery of services that we should have.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

No members have indicated that they wish to comment, so I invite the cabinet secretary to wind up.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that, frankly, revaluation is electorally toxic because of the impact of loss aversion on those whose council taxes would rise.

At Westminster, Labour has a majority of more than 150 and I am not seeing any big moves to change the system down there, which it could do without facing anything like the difficulty that we have here. It would face the same issues that any Government would face, as we do in Scotland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am referring not to portfolios but to specific projects, if you know what I mean. Money might be allocated to transport or whatever, but there is no pipeline that allows us to see what is being prioritised in particular portfolio spends, which is what the committee is keen to see.

We do not want there to be a considerable capital underspend this time next year. I know that it is very difficult for the Government because, with a 12 per cent increase in a year, you could end up with inflation if the capacity of the workforce to deliver what the Government wants does not exist. We do not want a 2 per cent increase in delivery and a 10 per cent increase in costs because of it. We are keen to see the budget being delivered in the most economically effective way.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is four months away, and this session of Parliament has only another 13 months to run. A lot of the details in the response are about things that would seem to be fairly reasonable if we had another five years in the parliamentary session. However, from what I can ascertain, there seems to be not a lot of urgency in some of the work. My colleagues might think differently—although I would be surprised if they did—but these things just seem to roll on.

Incidentally, yesterday, the Minister for Public Finance, Ivan McKee, had a summit with a body of leaders about moving forward to look at public service reform and—lo and behold!—to develop a strategy on that. We still have strategies coming out of our ears.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes stage 2 consideration of the bill. I thank the cabinet secretary. The stage 3 debate is due to take place next Tuesday.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. Our next agenda item, which will be taken in private, is consideration of a proposed contingent liability.

11:51 Meeting continued in private until 12:26.