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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much, minister, for answering our questions.

Agenda item 2 is formal consideration of the motion on the draft regulations. I invite the minister to speak to and move motion S6M-16306.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I know—I am not asking the Scottish Government to phone up a company at the beginning of March and say, “We’ve three weeks to spend this money. Is there anything that you can spend it on?” However, surely if you know what is going to happen some months ahead—as you clearly did, given that these figures were prepared weeks ago—you have an opportunity, even in the middle of the year, to see where you are with capital projects and whether reallocations can be made slightly earlier to ensure that we optimise the use of capital money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

No bother. I call Michael Marra, to be followed by Craig Hoy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Why has £60 million of that figure been allocated to the health and social care portfolio?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In the social justice portfolio, an extra £117.8 million has had to be allocated. I realise that that is demand led, but it seems that child disability payments are particularly high, at some £67.9 million, which is well over half of that figure. Is there any reason why there seems to have been an underestimate of what the portfolio was likely to need?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think that there is any doubt about that, and I think that everyone would accept that. The issue is about minimising those fluctuations and ensuring that we do not have big fluctuations in specific areas of social security. We are not talking about a 1 or 2 per cent variation in the budget—although, given the size of the budget, that in itself would be of concern. We want to know why one specific area of social security spending is much higher than was anticipated when others are more or less on an even keel or even slightly less than was anticipated.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Everything piques my interest, as you probably know.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The issue isnae just about the money coming back. Given the inflation that we have in construction and other areas, it is about the value of some of the projects. For example, a road upgrade project was signed off in my constituency in October 2021 for £22.7 million. To upgrade the same road now would cost £10 million more, and that money is not forthcoming. There is real concern about the projects being delivered on time, so it is about ensuring that that happens.

I have one more question, and then I will open up to other members. The supporting document notes:

“Ring-fenced budget cover has been provided by HM Treasury to support this change in accounting treatment however some of the IFRS16 changes will impact our discretionary funding. This is due to changes in forecasts provided against original plans for IFRS 16 leasing requirements with full additional budget cover not provided to cover these forecast changes.”

What is the likely impact on discretionary funding?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Has it cost us about £13 million, then?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, thank you for that cheery news. I now open up the session to colleagues around the table.