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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I can understand the reluctance to say where in the Scottish budget the money should come from; after all, you probably do not have the same understanding of the budget as we do, and why would you? It is not your job to have that level of understanding.

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As for the Scottish Government’s philosophy, should it consider holding, reducing or increasing spending? If the latter, should we think about increasing taxation to provide that additional funding?

Sandy Begbie could argue that more money being spent in his sector would produce greater growth and therefore more taxation and more money for public services. You have heard the figures already. As I said earlier, the financial services sector accounts for 13 per cent of Edinburgh’s workforce but contributes 30 per cent of the economy, which is money available for public services. You mentioned that a lot of people—200,000—work in fragile communities where there is no other employment. They help to bind such communities, particularly those in rural areas in my constituency and many others.

Where would you want to pitch to the Scottish Government that additional funding is needed and where it should come from? In broad terms, should it come from taxation or from lower spending elsewhere?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

We did not even get on to integration joint boards, community planning partnerships, and regional growth deals and city region deals.

I disagree with Mr Begbie; I certainly would take on such reforms. In Ayrshire, there are three councils and a health board. Why not have one structure? It is certainly my view that we should do that, and I have expressed it publicly over a number of years.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Are you saying that the objective remains the same but that the path to it has changed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for your opening statement, which is very helpful. It is interesting to see where we are compared with where we were less than a year ago. It is now broadly accepted that the financial memorandum that was produced was simply not up to the job, so it is good that the Scottish Government has had a complete rethink in that regard.

It is important that we are able to effectively scrutinise the financial memorandum. On 9 May, you said that you intend to give us four weeks before the stage 1 debate to scrutinise the updated financial memorandum. Is that still the Government’s position?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

You did not answer my question about how Scotland compares with other parts of the United Kingdom with regard to attractiveness for setting up a business.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I apologise. When I was asking questions earlier, I assumed that the figures were based on a quarter, but I now realise that they were monthly.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I think that you have a question for Sandy Begbie, so feel free.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Before I let John Mason come in, Michelle Thomson has a supplementary question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 24th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Under our first agenda item, we will take evidence from the Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport on the financial memorandum for the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. The minister is joined by Scottish Government officials Donna Bell, the director of social care and national care service development, and Fiona Bennett, the interim deputy director for national health service, integration and social care finance. I welcome the witnesses to the meeting.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.