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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The extended producer responsibility expects to bring in approximately £1.2 billion a year across the United Kingdom, which might mean £100 million for Scotland and £2 million or £3 million for somewhere like Dundee. You are, however, right that it is hard to pin that down at this stage.

Ms McGuire, one of the issues that has come up is littering and how people who litter from cars could be fined. The financial memorandum talks about the potential cost of policing and dealing with that as being between £34 and £102 per notice. You have all expressed concerns about how collectible that would be. What are your concerns and those of South Lanarkshire Council?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will ask a final question about that in a minute, but I will ask about co-design first.

The bill discusses co-design. It is not the first one that the committee has dealt with that does that. The talk of “co-design going forward” is always somewhat woolly to me. That also means that much of the bill will be delivered through secondary legislation. I ask the witnesses to give me their individual views on that, starting with Mr Jack.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The savings from the legislation are clear. I am just wondering what the net position is. It is hard for us to say, “Local authorities want more money.” We really need to pin it down to a ballpark figure. Surely Dundee City Council has considered how much additional funding it would require—if it needs additional funding—to deliver the bill and over what time period.

10:00  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Jack, I note that you also did not comment specifically on these early questions, but I am sure that you will have some thoughts on them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Do your colleagues Jim Jack and Kirsty McGuire have anything to say about the issue of additional resources that might be required to deliver the bill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Aye.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Kirsty, do you have anything to add?

10:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Devine, in answer to the second question, you say,

“some of our responses to the initial consultation are now irrelevant or require further review and updating”,

and you touch on

“forthcoming legislative changes such as Deposit and Return Scheme”—

which was considered to be forthcoming at the time—

“and the Extended Producer Regulations”.

Can you see where those changes have been made and what the implications are of that for Dundee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

In your view, would that be essential to deliver the bill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Charlie Devine from Dundee spoke about something that may also affect you in West Lothian or Ms McGuire in South Lanarkshire, which is the issue of trying to increase recycling from flats rather than from garden-gated properties. Will the bill help in delivering that, or is there an overestimate of how much waste will be collected in appropriate receptacles?