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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I will bring in David Livey shortly, but before I do, you said in your submission:

“Reform should also be accompanied with upfront investment to enable change to happen, with associated savings achieved further down the line.”

Ross Greer asked whether you had any examples. Do you have any examples of areas in which you think that that could transpire and significant savings could be made?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay—thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was interested by what you said in your submission about the Barnett formula, which you suggested does not take account of

“Scotland’s comparatively older population, or lower healthy life expectancy, or wider deprivation inequalities, all of which are drivers for higher NHS spend in Scotland”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have to say that I am obsessed with the number of steps that I do in a day. We can talk about preventative measures all we like, but the good thing about walking is that it costs nothing and delivers phenomenal health benefits for so many people, as you have outlined in some detail in your paper. It is one thing that I do not think we will have any issue with.

One issue that we do have with preventative spending—and I am pretty sure that John Mason will talk about it when he comes in—is that there is sometimes disinvestment in order to fund investment in preventative measures. That has always been an issue, but I will not put words in your mouth, John.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You are Craig’s kind of guy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am going to come in again but, first, I will let the three people I have listed here speak.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

On carers allowances, this week, the Government has extended a young carers allowance to 19-year-olds and added a payment of £520 a year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that.

11:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

No one else has asked to come in, so over the next few minutes I would like to give everyone an opportunity to make a final statement, which I always like to do at a round table. Dave Moxham, you will be the last to make a statement because you were the first. You will get the last word. I will give the other four the opportunity to say anything that you feel that we have not covered, or something that we have covered but you want to re-emphasise. Who wants to go first? If nobody does, I will just have to do eeny, meeny, miny, moe. Do I have any volunteers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

To be fair, we touched on that in the earlier session, but I take on board everything that you said there.