Skip to main content

Language: English / Gàidhlig

Loading…

Seòmar agus comataidhean

Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

Criathragan Hide all filters

Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
Select which types of business to include


Select level of detail in results

Displaying 3259 contributions

|

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

It is not a criticism of the SPCB. This is a public meeting, and it is important for people to be able to understand where their money is going.

The other significant point is that the budget of every one of the commissioners and ombudsmen is increasing by more than the increase that you have bid for for the entire Parliament. You are bidding for a 4.8 per cent increase from £128 million to £134.2 million, but every commissioner and ombudsman is seeking to increase their budget by more than that, with the average increase being 8.1 per cent. If we compare that with areas in the draft budget such as justice, transport, local government or wherever, we could argue that the budgets of the office-holders are increasing by more than the budgets of all those front-line services. It is therefore important to put on the public record why that is happening.

The other one that stands out is the Scottish Commission for Human Rights, which has also had a significant increase of 22 per cent. Has there been a big deterioration in human rights in Scotland in the past year, or is it just that the commission is dotting more i’s and crossing more t’s? What is the situation there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is absolutely fine. It is just that, if the budget is £37 million and the submission says that that is “including use of contractors”, we anticipate that it will be a lot more than £4,000. It might have been easier just to have said, “including £4,000 for contractors”. That would have saved me having to ask you that question.

In 2022-23, the staffing baseline was increased by £2.7 million. We are told in the submission that that was to help to deliver strategic priorities, which are listed. One of them is to

“enable enhanced public engagement and participation in committee work”.

Has that happened and how many staff have been allocated to it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Do you mean scrutiny of the post-Brexit constitutional arrangements?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

John Mason is looking at me with doe eyes, with that appeal. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

We are all chatting about why that is costing £189,000, given that all the facilities are already here. The offices are here, and the staff, technology and desks are here.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thought that that was finished.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am tempted to ask a whole barrage of questions on that, but time is against us. The Deputy First Minister is waiting for us to ask him questions on the budget. Your answers have been very comprehensive and we have overrun our time quite significantly. I thank you for your contributions and members for their questions.

We will have a break until 11 o’clock to enable a change of witnesses.

10:56 Meeting suspended.  

11:00 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that opening statement.

Over the next few weeks, we will have three debates. There will be a committee debate on our report on budget scrutiny and then there will be debates in the chamber on stages 1 and 3 of the Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill. We will end up having a tussle over the budget across the party divide, so I believe that one of the most important steps that we can take is to clarify the figures.

Let us look at where we are. At the very start of the 2023-24 budget document, the budget is set against inflation of 11.1 per cent, yet the Scottish block grant has declined by 4.8 per cent in real terms over two years. However, that is calculated by using a GDP deflator of 3.2 per cent, which I should point out is the usual comparator for analysing real-terms changes in public spending. As the Office for Budget Responsibility and the Scottish Fiscal Commission have highlighted, that approach does not capture the realities that the public sector faces, whereas if the consumer prices index were to be used to measure inflation, it would show UK funding to be 10.8 per cent lower than it was two years ago.

However, although those are the figures in the document, when the Scottish Parliament information centre looked at the same figures, it found that

“resource is due to increase by 3.7% in real terms in 2023-24 and capital is set to fall by 2.9% in real terms.”

Do we accept those figures, which, superficially, appear to be contradictory, or are the figures different because the balance has shifted between the block grant and the taxes that are being raised?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Just one more question from me, based on what you have been saying, with a bit of a glint in your eye, I think, over the past few minutes, which is about expectations and predictions. You talked about the legal requirement to make the books balance and you talked about contingency elements being unresolved. In the interests of transparency, what sum of money are we talking about that remains unresolved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that.

On that note, I thank the Deputy First Minister for his evidence and I thank his officials for their work. I also thank colleagues around the table.

Meeting closed at 12:58.