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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is a point well made.

I know that Sarah Watters wanted to come in, but I am trying to move on because I want colleagues to come in. I could spend the whole evidence session asking questions, because there is so much really good detail, but I will just ask one more question about best practice.

What is good about the document is that there are tremendous examples of good practice—for example, Renfrewshire Council’s tackling poverty commission, North Ayrshire Council’s skills for life programme and East Dunbartonshire Council’s snack and play programme. You also give the example of North Ayrshire Council’s community wealth building programme, which is expanding throughout Scotland.

I have asked over many years on a number of committees how such good practice can be spread throughout local government, because a concern that I have always had is that council X might have a great project and council Y might have another brilliant project, but there is not as much sharing and cross-cutting as there should be to ensure that those projects are implemented more widely.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, I think that that is a positive development. I certainly hope that it will prove to be so.

One of the things that the Scottish Government has been doing is increasing benefits relative to south of the border, such that, by about 2028, the figure will be about £1.4 billion. I have spoken to people in local government who have told me that some of that money would be better spent on the local government services that help to underpin work to reduce poverty.

Has local government in Scotland undertaken any cost benefit analysis to look at the benefit of a pound being spent in local government, for example, compared with its being spent on one of the measures in relation to benefits or, indeed, any other measure in the Scottish Government’s spend, so that we can be clear about the value for money aspect of the work that local government does?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I will now open up the questions to colleagues.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. I call Douglas Lumsden, to be followed by Liz Smith.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

It would be more effective and efficient if it was done collaboratively.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank you both for this excellent evidence, which was very interesting. It was a really good discussion. Do you want to make any further points before we wind up the session? Is there anything that you feel that we have not covered?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

We just ran out of time, to be honest.

11:00  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

As Sarah Watters has no further comments to make, I thank you both once again for your evidence.

We will continue to take evidence on the Scottish Government’s public service reform programme at our next meeting.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. The next item on our agenda, which will be discussed in private, is consideration of our work programme. We will have a five-minute comfort break to allow official report staff and our guests to leave.

11:02 Meeting continued in private until 11:28.  

 

 

 

 

 

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I have one final question regarding the fact that local authorities were not asked by the Scottish Government to submit reform plans to inform the 2024-25 Scottish budget. How do you feel about that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

An important part of reform is digitalisation. It is clear that there has to be co-operation between the Scottish Government and local government, so I am a wee bit concerned about some of the comments on that in your submission.

For example, in paragraph 43, you talk about the myjobscotland portal, which you say is managed by COSLA and

“has streamlined the recruitment process for councils and other public sector bodies (although the Scottish Government and its agencies have opted not to use it)”.

In paragraph 70, you say that, in the digital strategy,

“both COSLA and the Scottish Government committed to develop and expand DigitalBoost as ‘our primary programme of support for SMEs’.”

You go on to say that

“Despite this, the programme saw its budget reduced by 25% for 2022/23 and indications are that it is unlikely to be funded in 2023/24.”

Clearly, the collaboration is not working as well as it should. Why is the Scottish Government not using myjobscotland and why is the digital strategy support for SMEs not being continued?