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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

What is “fair and sustainable funding”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Tough, you also provided a lot of detail on your digitalisation strategy. You hope to invest in digitalisation but recoup that cost ultimately. Have you a time over which you think you will be able to recoup the cost of digitalisation, or will it always be something that you are never quite able to manage?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you for that.

You know what I am going to ask you, Mr Burr. Question 9 was:

“How, if at all, is your organisation working collaboratively with other public sector organisations to produce joint service reform plans for the public body landscape and use of resources (for submission to the Scottish Government later this year)?”

The reason why I was surprised by your “Not applicable” response was that you talk about a single islands partnership. I would have thought that you would be working with the other public bodies on the islands, such as the NHS. I am sure that you do work closely with those bodies. Can you give us a wee response to those questions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank God you are not pushing that, John.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Sometimes it is hard not to get back in when you have multimember wards. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

No—it was a comprehensive answer. You touched on a couple of things that are mentioned in your written submission. For example, you talked about the need to have a single authority, which is a significant point. You also talked about the difference between the ability of your council and that of others to outsource, which is also significant. I imagine that depopulation has played a part in the reduction in funding. No one ever seems to want to say how much “fair and sustainable funding” is in pounds, shillings and pence.

Do you accept that, as Ross Greer said last week, the Scottish Government does not have multiyear funding, so it is kind of difficult for it to provide multiyear funding for those who depend on it? Is that not a fair comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

One thing that you are implementing, as everyone is to a degree, is digitalisation. Over what time do you hope to deliver digitalisation, and are you working with other local authorities on that? When I read the reports about local authorities and their work on digitalisation, it seems that everyone is beavering away. I am not sure what level of cross-local authority working there is. For example, we could have similar systems being implemented and possible economies of scale. Where are you on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

You state in your written submission:

“Monthly online transactions have increased from 1,500 pre-pandemic to over 25,000 monthly, reducing paper handling, improving processing times and transforming service delivery.”

How does that work for people who are not digitally included?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you.

Mr Emmott, I am looking at Dundee City Council’s submission to the committee. One of the questions that we asked was about how the organisation’s plans seek to deliver on the Scottish Government’s three strategic priorities, which were set out. I notice that, in Dundee City Council’s response, you say that you are

“reducing child poverty and inequalities in incomes, education”.

However, you have not expanded on that to say how you will deliver that; it is just a line. Will you expand on that a wee bit, please?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Another thing in your submission that caught my eye, Mr Tough, is the fact that you have transferred 58 assets to community ownership and operation. Obviously, rationalisation of the estate is an important part of the reform agenda. How successful have those transfers been? Have some of the assets had to be handed back, or are all the communities managing to work effectively, albeit one or two of them or perhaps more will need continued support from their local authority? How is that working? Do you believe that other local authorities could learn from East Ayrshire’s model?