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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I turn to issues of pay and taxation. It has been said that the 3.5 per cent pay rise suggested in the public sector pay strategy for 2023-24 is not remotely sustainable. What are the average pay settlements in the public sector now? The details that we have been provided with come from November 2022, but the way that things have been going in recent months puts us in a very unstable situation. Inflation has declined, but where are we with public sector pay in Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I appreciate that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Behavioural change came up a lot last year. The Scottish Fiscal Commission said that, of the £30 million raised from top-rate payers, 90 per cent would be lost to behavioural change. The commission said that it was not about folk movin fae Edinburgh to Newcastle, for instance; it was about somebody who had been working five days a week saying that they will now work only four days a week, because they pay too much tax. That impacts on productivity and so on.

We all want there to be the optimum level of expenditure in our public services. The difficulty with the fact that both the main UK parties have said that they will not have a wealth tax and will not increase top-rate tax is that it leaves Scotland a wee bit exposed, within the United Kingdom, not so much for retaining people but for attracting people who might want to invest here or come and live here.

I imagine that you are right that not many people want to move—I certainly wouldnae want to move south of the border, whatever the tax rate was—but other folk might think, “Do you know what? I don’t know if I want to go there,” because of the direction of travel.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Do any members wish to comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The result of the division is: For 6, Against 1, Abstentions 0.

Motion agreed to,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Green Freeports Relief) (Scotland) Order 2023 [draft] be approved.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I have one last question on the issue of the green economy, which you just touched on.

You said that a £13 billion green stimulus package could create 150,000 jobs in Scotland and suggested that there is a pressing need for the Scottish Government to maximise the impact of its spending priorities. Labour in the UK has said that it can no longer proceed with its £28 billion green prosperity plan because of affordability. How can Scotland, with 8.2 per cent of the UK’s population, afford to do something as ambitious as a £13 billion stimulus package?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The question is, that motion S6M-09584 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

One of the conclusions that came from the committee’s meeting on 23 May was that efficiencies made as part of managing budgets are not a genuine reform. I am sure that you would agree with that. What role do efficiencies such as sharing data or making use of artificial intelligence and digital technologies play?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. That concludes the committee’s questions.

Item 2 is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-09584.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Green Freeports Relief) (Scotland) Order 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and his colleagues for their evidence. We will publish in due course a short report to the Parliament setting out our decision on the draft order.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:48 Meeting suspended.  

10:53 On resuming—