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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will share some anecdotal information. I watched a BBC programme about fly-tipping. It covered England, but I do not think that the situation will be much different in Scotland. Some businesses feel that they are very highly regulated as a result of the increase in fly-tipping but that SEPA almost turns a blind eye to those who are not. Therefore, revenue from the tax is decreasing not just because less waste is going to landfill but because more waste is being thrown over hedges and dumped in fields.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I think that you have got that point across. We all accept that that is the case in some areas. I do not want to put words in Mr Neill’s mouth, but I think that he said that, as the quality of recycling has improved, the difference between virgin aggregates and recycled material has narrowed and, in some areas, has become marginal. Am I right in saying that, Mr Neill?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. In time-honoured fashion, we will go through some of the changes to try to get further information and elaboration on how decisions have been made and what the impact will be. I start off with NHS recovery and the health and social care portfolio. The additional funding includes £514 million of resource and £235 million of capital. The budget is a wee bit coy about what that will be spent or invested in. Could you give us a bit more information?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed, but the £235 million of capital funding interests me because, as we know, there has been a two-year moratorium on new capital projects in the NHS, although, of course, there is still money being spent on care and maintenance. What does the £235 million represent as a share of capital allocated to the NHS and what is it being invested in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that clarification. One of the issues that we have discussed at this committee is the long-term financial sustainability of the public finances. We see that there is a £284.2 million increase for social security on a budget that is already growing very dramatically. Can you talk us through that and why there is such a huge differential between what was anticipated and what is now having to be spent? It seems a huge difference.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Would it not be better just to say that, rather than saying it is for “ongoing activities”, which is a bit vague. The point of this is to try to ascertain where the money is going—either up or down. If we are just given that information, it would make life a lot easier than just referring to some “ongoing activities”. You are bound to get a question on something like that because it is so vague, and we are talking nearly £30 million.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry to interrupt, minister but if you think about it, the total capital budgeted spend will be £5.845 billion and £235 million in one particular portfolio is quite a significant slice of that. That is why I was quite intrigued as to what that money will be spent on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2024 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We are joined today by Gillian Mackay, who is attending the meeting as a committee substitute in the absence of Ross Greer, who is at another committee. I invite Gillian to declare any relevant interests.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The next item on our agenda today is an evidence session with the Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance on the draft Budget (Scotland) Act 2023 Amendment Regulations 2024. Mr Arthur is joined today by two Scottish Government officials: Scott Mackay, head of finance co-ordination, and Craig Maidment, senior finance manager. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting, and I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is certainly helpful for Michelle Thomson, who has been nodding away. Thank you.

One of the important aspects of the budget is the Verity house agreement and the interaction there. As part of the budget document, £1 billion of ring-fenced funding that was previously held in portfolios was baselined into the local government settlement. That has been welcomed in local government. We have a breakdown of all that information here. How much remains ring fenced?