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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

They are in part 2 of the bill.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Where that power exists at the moment, it seems to be rarely used.

I have two further questions before I open the questioning to colleagues. My first one goes back to the point about there being 350 quarries. You said in your submission that you have identified 150 current UK taxpayers that are likely to be required to register for the SAT. I take it that that includes people with multiple quarries and that, therefore, it is not the case that there are 150 legitimate operators, plus 200 illegitimate ones, because you do not know how many of the latter there are. Is it right to say that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

John Mason will be excited about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you, Gillian. Colleagues have exhausted their questions.

I make the observation that compliance surely increases revenue, even if that is not the reason for it.

As well as grappling with a lack of data, which means that we do not know how big the issue is, it appears that there has not been much enforcement over the past 20 or so years. You said that the aggregates levy is a small tax, but individuals sometimes get chased by HMRC for just a few pounds. I find it odd that an industry that generates tens of millions of pounds in revenue in Scotland alone seems to be able to decide almost on a voluntary basis whether it pays the tax. Is that a fair comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. I thank all our witnesses for their contributions today. We will continue our evidence taking on the bill next week, when we will hear from the Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance—the legendary, one and only Tom Arthur.

As that was the final item on our agenda, I now close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 11:48.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I will not go through all of the technical adjustments but I will focus on one. Additional budget cover of £48.1 million has been provided for private finance initiative projects in NHS recovery, health and social care. It says here:

“This technical change falls outside of UK Budget limits and is provided to align the Scottish Budget with accounting requirements.”

What does that mean? What accounting requirements are we talking about here?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. Has the amount of inert waste as a share of the total waste that is going to landfill increased over the past decade or does it remain fairly stable?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thanks very much. Before we move on, I want to thank you for providing detail on the reserves in public corporations, which the committee did not previously have. It is interesting to note that you have outlined where only half a dozen corporations stand on public reserves. I had imagined that dozens of organisations had such pots of money, so it is good to hear clarification that there are only half a dozen.

We will open up to questions from members, with the first questions from Liz Smith.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I remain unconvinced that people will ship a tonne of waste across the border to save a pound, or whatever it would be. They are much more likely to dump stuff in a field a mile up the road.

As there are no other questions from colleagues round the table, we move to the next item, which involves formal consideration of the motion. I invite the minister to speak to and move motion S6M-12277.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Scottish Landfill Tax (Standard Rate and Low Rate Order) 2020 for SSI 2024/60 be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Motion agreed to.