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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am tempted to come back in, but I will call John Mason, to be followed by Michael Marra.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, I do think that this goes back to loss aversion, to be perfectly honest. Whatever the Scottish Government would do on that would be attacked from all sides. Indeed, our predecessors—and the Government south of the border—have not exactly run to change it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Of course it is. I think that we have already said that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I think that the issue is the Government’s survivability if it were to implement this across the board, given the ferocious onslaught that would come from all sides. That is just the political reality. In my view, the economic reality is different from the political reality. I think that we would all agree with the economic reality.

David, my last question is on transparency with regard to mitigations. The Scottish Government mitigates a lot of UK taxes; in fact, some of the witnesses who will follow this session are suggesting yet more areas where the UK Government has reduced expenditure or where more expenditure should be given. What do you think that we should do to make the mitigations more transparent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry—I said “David”, and you are both called David. I forgot—apologies. There is a plethora of Davids in the economics world.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I think that some of the witnesses in the next panel will touch on that.

João—we started with you and we will finish with you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

It is important that we do not compare apples with oranges. That was an important point.

I thank our witnesses very much. You have given us lots of food for thought for the second panel and beyond. We will have a break now.

11:17 Meeting suspended.  

11:24 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

To stop them moving elsewhere?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

There was a bit of a backlash in my area when it was suggested that parking be priced, and the council changed its policy on it.

One of the things that came out of the previous session was road pricing. How do you do that without impacting adversely on rural communities? Would you have road pricing only in urban areas or on motorways, for example? How would you get round that? Many rural communities in Scotland are fragile, and people in them do not really have any alternative to cars. You can talk about public transport all you like, but it will not make much odds to some people whether you increase the bus service from twice to three or four times a day. The car will remain essential for a number of people in our communities.