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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We move to questions from members, beginning with Liz Smith, to be followed by Ross Greer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If more people receive treatment, it is clear, surely, that the level of support that is required will also rise commensurately.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have mentioned that the level of the demand is hidden. Scottish Health Action on Alcohol Problems mentioned that 22 per cent of adults have alcohol problems. However, the bill will only really apply to those people who have been diagnosed with such a problem. With regard to drugs, paragraph 23 of the financial memorandum says that

“the number of individuals with problem drug use in Scotland is 57,300”,

but the number of people who had initial assessments for specialist drug treatment has varied from 6,275 to 7,867 in recent years. Therefore, the untapped demand is huge.

We mentioned earlier that the average cost of treatment is about £18,000 per person. If we take even a small proportion of those 50,000 people who have been identified as drug addicts—there are undoubtedly more whom we do not know about—it is not necessary to be an arithmetic genius to realise that the cost of £28 million to £38 million that is spelled out in the financial memorandum will be breached pretty early on simply in relation to treatment for drugs, let alone treatment for alcohol.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that opening statement. Do you really think that, if you were to put the tax on inert waste up by £1 you would have vast numbers of lorries charging over the border in order to avoid tax? Given what it costs to ship such material, including the cost of fuel, payment for the driver and depreciation of the value of the lorry, that is kind of nonsense, is it not? I can understand the argument about non-inert waste, but it seems a bit bizarre that this tax has been devolved for umpteen years without there being a penny differential and that we still get a ludicrous statement every year about inert waste tourism. Surely we can think up our own tax for that. If it cost a fiver, we could make an extra few bob for the Scottish Government and there would not be a queue of trucks at Berwick trying to dump waste in Northumberland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do you have any further points that you feel that we have not covered?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I recall that that commitment was made by Nicola Sturgeon.

The only other point that I want to make is that I neglected to give the apologies of Michael Marra, which is why people reading the Official Report will wonder why he has been so silent this morning. I belatedly give his apologies.

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We will have a short break before agenda item 2.

10:49 Meeting suspended.  

10:57 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Are you suggesting that I should put that directly to the First Minister when he comes to the Conveners Group in a week or two?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. I call Liz Smith.