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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It seemed strange that we would be given information on that, so I assumed that it was a typo, but I wanted to check. Accuracy is always something that we can check on.

Colleagues are keen to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I take your point in your letter that the IT systems were not designed for the impact of the McCloud remedy on the SPPA and that work has had to be done to bring them up to speed.

You have listed five programme-level objectives to assist further prioritisation and decision making. The second one is:

“Getting it right first time—providing accurate and clear statements/information and support for members to make informed Remedy choices.”

What are you doing on quality control to make sure that you get this right, if not 100 per cent of the time, at least 99 per cent of the time? Complexity that involves manual and IT processes sets alarm bells ringing, because there are plenty of opportunities for things to go wrong and there has to be cross-checking and so on. What processes do you have in place to ensure that, when the remedy is delivered, it is delivered?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Is it 100 per cent correct? Are people coming back and challenging the outcome, or do you feel that you are absolutely spot on in terms of delivery and accuracy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It is important that people have confidence in the final decision so, even if it is delayed, it should deliver and be accurate.

Before I open up the session to colleagues, I want to ask about annex A to your letter of 11 March. It refers to

“Delivery Progress to 3 March 2024 by Scheme”.

Is that right? Is it not progress to March 2026?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Government has provided additional funding. Is that in order to deliver to the new timetables that you have set yourself?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

That concludes the committee’s questions, but it is clear that there seems to be a disconnect between how the SPPA perceives its own delivery and how, as we heard from Michael Marra a few minutes ago, your clients perceive it. It is clearly an area that the committee would want you to work on. Obviously, this is a very emotional and deeply frustrating issue for many people, and I think that the human cost should always be at the forefront when it comes to ensuring that decisions are delivered promptly to as many people as possible.

You should have the last word, Dr Pathirana. Are there any other points that you want to make or expand on, or is there anything that you feel that we have not, but perhaps should have, touched on? If so, you and your team have an opportunity to comment now.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

That is anecdotal rather than specific information.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Sharing best practice is always a sensible way forward.

The minister said:

“It is unfortunate that despite the McCloud Remedy being a UK-wide issue, and one the UK Government was responsible for creating, that the UK Government has not provided any additional central funding to departments or devolved administrations to manage this programme of work.”

Have you received any explanation as to why that is the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Will the police system be a model of how you hope pensions will be progressed in future across Scotland, with monthly data and so on? Are you looking beyond your immediate difficulties to the future in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

McCloud Remedy

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I understand that you were due to meet the Minister for Public Finance on 18 February—the committee received a letter from the SPPA dated 17 February—to focus on undertaking a deep dive of McCloud remedy delivery in the police pensions immediate choice cohort, member communications and engagement, and SPPA resources. Could you advise us as to what transpired at the meeting and how it will help you to move forward?