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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The public do not consider those inquiries to be particularly credible then, do they?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Dr Prasser, who spoke in the previous session, talked about some of the inquiries and royal commissions being a lawyers’ picnic—that it is almost like there is a dripping roast for the legal profession. He talked about folk becoming millionaires for chairing these royal commissions. I am wondering about the role of the legal profession in inquiries in New Zealand.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do they want to come and work over here?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We have not read your paper yet because it was emailed out only half an hour ago and we have been taking evidence. We have not had a chance to read it.

As well as a recommendation of having two years for inquiries, you talked about them staying within budget. I take it therefore that, when inquiries are set up, a budget is allocated.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The first witness we took evidence from for our work on public inquiries said that his inquiry, which looked into child abuse in Jersey, went back subsequently, a year or two later, to look at the effectiveness of the recommendations being implemented and what had changed. Is there any follow-up on what happens in New Zealand?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. I will open up the session to colleagues around the table. The first will be Liz Smith, to be followed by John Mason.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that. I want to thank you in particular for taking the time and the trouble to come all the way to Edinburgh to give evidence. The committee very much appreciates that. It is always best when people come here in person.

Our final evidence session on this inquiry will take place on 25 November. We will hear from the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic in person. We will then publish a report setting out recommendations to the Scottish Government before the end of the year.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. We will now move into private session to consider two draft reports and a work programme. I will call a five-minute break to enable the official report and broadcasting teams to leave. Thank you very much.

11:38 Meeting continued in private until 12:44.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is interesting to look at the contrasts between here and Australia. The issue about inquiries here is that people want justice for a slight—or a perceived slight—or, indeed, want to look at how, say, a disaster that has happened can be avoided. An obvious example here in Scotland is the Piper Alpha disaster, in which 167 people died; that inquiry was actually brought in in 13 months at a fairly modest cost, and yet, as I have said, the costs of subsequent inquiries that we have had have gone up exponentially.

What is the trend in Australia with regard to that cost envelope? What kind of budgets are the Australian royal commissions brought in at? What controls do they have? Moreover, has there been an inflationary impact on budgets, or have they stayed much the same over the years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We have only 36 judges in Scotland. If three or four of them are tied up in inquiries, it is a 10 per cent hit straight away to the court process.

We have no further questions from colleagues around the table so, as you will have heard me do in the previous session, I want to give you an opportunity to make any points or emphasise areas that you think that we have not covered.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Your report also said that

“commissions have no specific power to compel private individuals or entities to provide them information or testimony”.

What are the implications of that? Will you also tell us about the role of the legal profession in inquiries in Sweden?