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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Will that, in itself, not be helpful in reducing the timeframe?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

But that is what people who call for the inquiries are often seeking.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, but if a 10,000-page report or whatever is produced at the end, who will read it? Denmark and Sweden produced Covid reports years ago. Ultimately, we can get to the stage at which there are diseconomies of scale. We might end up with something so monumental that no one can grasp it. Are we in danger of doing that with the Covid inquiries and perhaps with the Scottish child abuse inquiry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Given how cumbersome inquiries are in Scotland and in the rest of the UK, relative to other areas, what can we do differently to ensure that the people who clamour for inquiries get the justice that they need and deserve but that that does not take five, 10 or 15 years or have an impact on public services? For example, some NHS services have to be forgone in order to fund aspects of inquiries.

11:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

An inquiry is not done without an impact on other areas, which is an issue. If it is an NHS-based inquiry, the NHS is more or less expected to fund it from resources that would otherwise go into doctors, nurses, medicines and patients.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Can you think of any examples where the terms of reference were spot on and helped delivery of a tight inquiry? In contrast, can you think of inquiries where the terms of reference were woolly, which led to an unsatisfactory approach that ran off in different directions and stuff like that, rather than focusing on what the core purpose of the inquiry was meant to be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Professor Cameron, who gave evidence to the committee two weeks ago, talked about the Jersey child abuse inquiry. He said that they went back two years after the inquiry had concluded to see what recommendations had or had not been implemented. In his experience, that is the only time that that has happened.

You will be pleased to know that this will be my last question before I open up the discussion to colleagues around the table. Do you feel that that should be de rigueur for public inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 19th meeting in 2025 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from Craig Hoy and Ross Greer.

Under our public agenda item, we will take evidence on the cost-effectiveness of Scottish public inquiries. I welcome Rebecca McKee, a senior researcher from the Institute for Government, and Mary Morgan, the chief executive of NHS National Services Scotland.

We have received a written submission from Mary Morgan, but we have not received one from Rebecca McKee, so will you take a couple of minutes to talk through what the Institute for Government does in relation to public inquiries, Rebecca?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

There is a concern about vested interests and that that situation could continue.

Mary Morgan, do you want to come in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is great. Thank you very much for your evidence. We will continue our inquiry, but that concludes our evidence session and, indeed, today’s meeting.

Meeting closed at 11:50.