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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Why are those in two documents? Why is it not one document? Why is fiscal sustainability not in the medium-term financial strategy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

“OECD Review of the Scottish Fiscal Commission 2025”

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We have to put that into perspective as well. The Scottish Fiscal Commission might not be as good as the institutions in countries such as the Netherlands or, indeed, as good as the OBR, but it is a lot better than those in countries such as Finland, France, Germany, Portugal and Greece, as we can see from the list that you have on page 12 of your report.

I call Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I think that we have been very fair and very open.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Agenda item 3 is formal consideration of motion S6M-16546. I invite the minister to speak to and move the motion.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Scottish Landfill Tax (Standard Rate and Lower Rate) Order 2025 (SSI 2025/41) be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The next agenda item is an evidence session with the Minister for Public Finance on the Scottish Landfill Tax (Standard Rate and Lower Rate) Order 2025. The minister is joined today by Jonathan Waite, the Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill team leader at the Scottish Government. I welcome them both and invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

They will be “lost forever”? You are saying that there is no pressure on the committee, then.

One thing that is said under your policy objectives is that the order will make things

“more streamlined and flexible than primary legislation”.

Has the Scottish Government considered at any point trying to make the process of primary legislation more streamlined and flexible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

People have suggested in evidence that, notwithstanding that, there is an issue about the requirement for more capital investment. Clearly, if the bill goes through, there will be a right to recovery. You talk in the financial memorandum about publicising that, trying to reduce stigma and getting more people to come forward. There is a fear that there could be an upsurge in the number of people coming forward and that, even though the Scottish Government is going up to 650 beds, that will not be enough.

Paragraph 38 in the financial memorandum states:

“The average cost of a placement in a core programme in rehab in Scotland is £18,112”.

I understand how difficult it is to put together a financial memorandum on the issue, but it says that placement costs range from £6,504 to £27,500, for varying lengths of courses, and that the cost per week is £350 to £5,500. If there is an upsurge, there will be extra demand on private places as well, which I assume the Scottish Government would be expected to fund under the bill. The Scottish Government could be funding private places at £5,000-plus per week. As demand goes up, we could end up with costs rising exponentially because of such issues. How do you address that concern?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do you feel that the financial memorandum reflects that? The evidence suggests that it does not. Finding people to do the work is one of the issues. Even if the Scottish Government had unlimited cash resources, it would still have to find people and train them to the required standard in order to deliver the outcomes that we would like to see.

Paragraph 85 of the financial memorandum says that

“the implementation of the Bill will lead to more completed treatments. This in turn will mean fewer repeat appointments being needed for patients who are seeking a new treatment, having had an unsuccessful patient journey.”

If staff numbers across Scotland are going to need to significantly increase, some staff will not have the same experience as those who work for organisations that have worked in the field for years or even decades. You are suggesting that the bill will lead to better outcomes, but I am not sure that we have the evidence that that will be the case, as some people will not have the same level of experience.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You represent the rural Highlands and Islands region. One concern that has been raised is about how we ensure that we are able to provide an equitable service. I have rural areas in my constituency, as do most members around the table, with the exception of John Mason and possibly Michelle Thomson. That is a real issue for many of us and for many communities. How would you ensure that the provisions of the bill are delivered equitably, from Stranraer to Shetland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I appreciate that.