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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Talk for as long as you like.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I understand what you are saying but, if you think about it, the national health service was allocated a 4.3 per cent increase and the police were allocated a 5.6 per cent increase in resources, and they have to deal with that. The commissioners—it is not just the Ethical Standards Commissioner—all seem to be asking for significant increases in funding, and another half a dozen commissioners are in the pipeline. We, as a committee, are trying to address that. People will be thinking that, if front-line services like the NHS have to work within an envelope, the commissioners should be in the same place.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The difficulties with the Ethical Standards Commissioner and the increase in budget alerted us to the significant year-on-year increase in commissioner costs. It was between 8 and 10 per cent each year over the last couple of years, which has an increasing impact on the Scottish Parliament’s budget.

How can the Parliament best deal with that seemingly exponential growth in budget costs? If you think about it, the cash increase in the Scottish budget this year was 2.6 per cent, but commissioners went up by 10 per cent, or more in some circumstances. Should we continue to review that annually? Should we cap it? How do we address that issue, given that so many other commissioners are in the pipeline? Sue, I will come to you after Martin.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That has concluded questions from the committee. Do our witnesses have any final points that they wish to make? Do they think that we have omitted anything, or feel a burning desire to add something to our deliberations?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for your contributions this morning. We will continue to take evidence as part of our inquiry at our meeting on 21 May. That concludes the public part of today’s meeting.

The next item on the agenda, which we will discuss in private, is consideration of our work programme.

11:33 Meeting continued in private until 11:58.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that very comprehensive answer, Audrey.

Of course, the Scottish Government has said that it

“is committed to the establishment of a Victims and Witnesses Commissioner”

and that it would fill an identified accountability gap. Did the committee recognise any accountability gap that needed to be filled?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, there is a perception that there are gaps, but there is also concern about duplication.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

We are well aware of the issues that developed there. I know that you are talking about a vacuum of accountability, which you have said should be explored, but what is your instinct about where, ultimately, responsibility for that should lie: the Parliament, the Government or the commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry to interrupt you, but that is one of the things that we are trying to grasp—how we evaluate the difference that the commissioners make. If a commissioner was not there, what would the difference be? For example, what would the difference be for children and young people? Could the work be done by the Government or any other organisation? There are issues of democratic accountability as well, of course.