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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. Mr Witty, you are last but not least.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that.

I thank all our guests this morning for their very helpful contributions to our deliberations. We will continue to take evidence on this issue over the next few weeks, because fiscal sustainability and long-term fiscal pressures are always on committee members’ minds.

Without further ado, I call a break until 11.10 to enable a changeover of witnesses and to give members a break.

11:05 Meeting suspended.  

11:10 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am not going to pursue that matter, because there are a number of issues that I want to cover, but I am sure that colleagues will want to come in and explore it further.

Cabinet secretary, in your opening statement, you talked about £649 million to mitigate UK austerity. If that money is being used to mitigate UK austerity, it is not being spent on devolved services. We heard the concerns that were raised by the college sector earlier this morning, whose budget for the year is roughly £649 million. You will be aware that that budget has been cut by 17 per cent in real terms over the past five years. Surely, the issue of poverty is one of opportunity cost. The colleges have robustly argued that investing in skills, training and employability, as opposed to larger benefit payments, for example, will ultimately have greater benefits for the individuals themselves, the economy and society, and that it will make Scotland more fiscally sustainable. Is opportunity cost not one of the big issues that we have to face at this time? You said that there is not a black hole, but the funding gaps that the Government faces are around £1 billion for the next financial year and £2.6 billion by 2029-30.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that, at the moment, the figure is about £1.2 billion over and above the block grant adjustment. The Scottish Fiscal Commission is saying that it is £1.3 billion and that it will go up to £1.5 billion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The FSDP says that operational delivery improvements

“will focus on improving performance and productivity alongside the delivery of internal savings and efficiencies, such as the continued automation of some payments”.

There are no numbers against that, which is an issue that always concerns the committee. If we are talking about a Scottish Government budget gap of £1,070 million going into the next financial year, we need numbers on things such as that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I referred to that earlier when I said that 57 per cent of people on universal credit are in work.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. You have put in quite a stretch today—it is very much appreciated.

With that, we will have a two-minute break to allow the official report and broadcasting to leave, along with our guests, and then we will go into a brief private session.

13:17 Meeting continued in private until 13:30.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I must say that you referenced old technology in your submission, but not new technology.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Frankly, there is a fear of the unknown in many organisations. They think, “We’re going to have to adopt this, but do we have to do it this week?” or, “What’s the implication going to be for the workforce and the whole structure.” I led the first debate on AI in the Parliament, way back in 2018, and the information that we had then about the impact on employment was completely different from the information now. At that time, the sectors that we were told would be most adversely affected and those that would be boosted were completely different from the scenario now. That issue is still being grappled with.

I will move on to capital investments in a couple of minutes, because a few people mentioned that in their written submissions, but a couple of folk want to come in at the moment.