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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and his officials for their evidence. In due course, we will publish a short report to the Parliament setting out our decision on the draft instrument.

We will now have a break until 11.05, when we will reconvene following the remembrance events in the garden lobby.

10:33 Meeting suspended.  

11:08 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Under the next item on our agenda, we will take evidence from two panels of witnesses as part of our stage 1 scrutiny of the Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill. For the first panel, we are joined by Natasha Douglas, land and planning manager, Bancon Homes; Fionna Kell, director of policy, Homes for Scotland; and Julie Jackson, general counsel and company secretary, Miller Homes. I welcome you all to the meeting.

We intend to have about one hour for this evidence session, which will be followed by a session with our second panel. I will move straight to questions, and the first is for Julie Jackson.

In your submission, you said:

“evidence shows a site will not be viable if subjected to the levy”.

In your submission, you were talking about smaller sites. One of the issues with the bill is whether the sites that it will apply to should include every house or just those of a certain size. Will you talk us through your views on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is one of the issues that you have raised in your submission, Natasha Douglas, so Bancon is concerned about that.

In Bancon’s submission, you have also asked why the company is subject to the legislation—it has not been involved in or had any issues with cladding, but it might be adversely impacted. Fionna Kell said something more or less identical in her submission.

The legislation will not include islands, for example, so there is an issue there. Can you talk more about your frustration with that issue?

11:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have just been advised that the average price of a new-build house in Scotland is £335,447, so the levy would be about 1 per cent of the sale price. Would that not just get passed on to buyers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

My understanding is that, at today’s prices, it will be about £3.1 billion over 15 years. The £30 million a year that the Government hopes to raise through the levy will be about 15 per cent of the cost, while the rest will be paid by general taxation.

I know that they are all different sizes and shapes, but what is the average price of a new house in Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Can you talk us through that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Josie Sclater, I suggest that Hazel Johnson has a point. A number of people have raised concerns about building standards over the years. Builders did build according to the standards that applied at the time, and there have been issues over the years. I and members of other committees have looked at the reduced numbers of clerks of works and so on, which has meant that corners have been cut. Does Hazel have a point, in that a fund such as the proposed levy would help, almost as an incentive for builders to be a bit more careful in construction? Otherwise, the levy will fall upon them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One thing that seems to have had a major impact on finances is that the finance and local government portfolio is receiving an additional £204.3 million, of which £144 million relates to local government employer national insurance contributions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I call Michelle Thomson, to be followed by Michael Marra.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Your view is that it is not.