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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I will turn to public engagement and bring in Alison Hosie and Carmen Martine, because there is quite a lot in both of your papers on that issue. Alison, you say:
“Public engagement in the budget process is growing, but significant barriers remain. Current efforts tend to focus more on consultation than genuine co-production ... Targeted outreach to marginalised communities is also vital, as these groups are often underrepresented in budget discussions.”
Can you tell us how that would work? You talk about
“a co-development model—one in which communities, civil society, and Parliament are meaningfully involved in shaping fiscal priorities before decisions are finalised.”
How would that work within the white heat of the budget process that we operate under at the moment?
11:45Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
All members of the committee are keen for better outcomes to be achieved, regardless of which area we are looking at. We all want to see better outcomes for the money that is invested, and anything that can help to deliver that will be very welcome.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Indeed. I suppose that it is like football in that you do not necessarily judge a team on one match. However, if there is a league table of countries—or of devolved Parliaments or sub-state legislatures—where would Scotland be, and who would be at the top?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
You have raised concerns that, for example, the Scottish Government is still insisting on maintaining a level of teacher numbers, which COSLA does not think is necessary. Is that a cause of continued tension? Where are we with those discussions?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
That is fine.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
That is not the final point that you want to make, is it, Dave?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you for that. Finally, I call John Wood.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I do not think that anyone is saying we should not bother. I am just saying that there must be a realistic idea of what the level of engagement is likely to be. No one is more interested in having a wider discourse about the budget than the finance committee of the Scottish Parliament. None of us wants to see fewer people engaging. We want to see more people engaging.
Everyone in the committee gets excited when we see that a tweet on something that we have done has reached 5,000 people or 10,000 people. Folk recognise the work that we do because this committee works hard and is dedicated to doing the best job possible. All that I am trying to suggest is that people are never going to say, “Did you watch a match last night?” “Never mind the match. What about the block grant adjustment committee?”
I understand what you are saying about trying to make things simpler, and the Scottish Fiscal Commission has done a lot to make things very presentable and accessible, but you can take a horse to water—if you know what I mean. There are real issues, so I am looking for practical steps to see how we can do that engagement. I am thinking about the budget cycle and all its moving parts. Can that be done to the extent that it would involve a much larger group of people? If it can, this committee would buy into it—obviously we would.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Short, sharp and to the point.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 6 May 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Okay. Thank you.