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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That has exhausted questions from committee members, but I have a brief question for each of you on areas that we have not touched on. The first is for you, Mr Pugh.

Interestingly, the Scottish Parliament information centre briefing that committee members received states that 45 per cent of an inquiry’s time is spent on producing the report. Is there any way in which that process could be expedited?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

My second question is for you, Ms Dunlop. Should Government departments and public bodies be required to respond formally to recommendations within a set timeframe?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What might be a reasonable timeframe in which to respond to a report?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

But does that sound to you like a conflict of interest?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The supplementary FM states:

“The amended section does not specify the sort of provision that regulations are to make about independent information, advice and advocacy in relation to social care and therefore the potential cost implications of those regulations are wide”.

How wide?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That has exhausted questions from the committee. I have only a couple more. The first is about Anne’s law, which you touched on. You said:

“It is expected that there will be some costs for care home providers and those supporting care homes, to promote and champion Anne’s Law through staff and provider awareness sessions, formal training, updating visiting policies including the identification of the Essential Care Supporter and for printing leaflets and other administration.”

You then went on to say those would be

“absorbed within the usual costs of following current guidance around named visitor policy”

and so on. Surely, if there are additional responsibilities and training, additional costs will be involved.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In the previous memorandum, there were specific sections on IT. Mention has been made of the fact that we are somehow expected to read the two previous financial memorandums in conjunction with the financial update. Would it not be easier to have one comprehensive document that laid out all the costs, as the committee requested some weeks ago? What is the point in looking at what the costs were projected to be in 2022 or 2023? That needs to be put to one side. We want to know what the position is as we go forward, and one comprehensive, easy-to-access document that included IT as a component would provide that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is a worry, but I shall leave it at that.

I will give the minister the final word. Are there any further points that you wish to relay to the committee before I wind up the session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed, but, as Mr Mason pointed out to the previous panel, every document has to be looked at. We are trying to conduct this investigation, if you want to call it that, in a matter of weeks as well as doing all the other things that we have to do as MSPs and so on. One issue that the committee is considering is that time does not seem to be much of a factor in these inquiries. Lord Hardie talked about an inquiry that he chaired that lasted nine years, for example. The Scottish Covid-19 inquiry, which you are involved in, Mr Pugh, has already taken three and a half years, and the UK inquiry has taken four years. More than £200 million has been spent in total, with no end in sight. The Australian Covid-19 inquiry lasted a year and cost £4 million. Was what was delivered any less impactful for the people who had concerns about what happened to their loved ones?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What kind of oversight is there of fees? Do people just put in an invoice? Who checks that the invoice is correct, for example?