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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was going to come on to that issue next.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Other colleagues will ask about that in greater detail, so I will not touch on that.

Do you accept that when people see senior counsel at the Covid-19 inquiry being paid £200 an hour and being able to charge up to 60 hours or £12,000 a week, or inquiries that go on for years, it seems like the vested interest of the legal profession is to keep things as they are? Rightly or wrongly, an inquiry is seen as a dripping roast for lawyers. Does that perception, which some people have—I am one of them, and the rest of the committee members are part of that, too—concern the Faculty of Advocates?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

To be fair, that was in Mr Clancy’s submission, so perhaps it was an unfair question to ask you. I will go to Mr Clancy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If I am involved in an inquiry in which I am paid and I am calling for that inquiry to be deepened and widened, that is surely a conflict of interest. I would have a direct interest in the inquiry being broadened. Is that not the case? Is that in any way appropriate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I turn to Mr Pugh.

13:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is why I specifically talked about making such a call in the media, as opposed to, for example, speaking to the chair of the inquiry and providing evidence as to why the inquiry should be broadened and deepened, or not, as the case may be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank you all for your evidence this morning and, indeed, this afternoon. It has been very helpful for our deliberations.

Meeting closed at 13:17.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What are the differences in terms of outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I will let colleagues ask questions in a second, because I know that everyone is keen to come in, but I have a further question for Lord Hardie. You have said that a direction advising participants that there would be no opening statements would avoid extra time being taken up at public hearings, as well as reducing time and effort on the part of legal representatives, and could also save money. Will you explain why the opening statements are such a lengthy and costly process that they impact on an inquiry?