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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You seem to be prepared to answer it, from what I can see.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I must say that you referenced old technology in your submission, but not new technology.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

On the same subject area, you have also said that it is important to

“align economic growth spending to gaps in skill and labour market needs.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Lesley Jackson, in your paper, you have expressed concern that

“The Flexible Workforce Development Fund (of which the Open University and colleges were providers) - valued at £10.5 million per year - was discontinued in 2023/24”,

and you have said that

“the Open University alone had to turn away over 1,000 learners”.

You go on to say:

“The Scottish Funding Council’s Upskilling Fund, previously valued at £7million per year, was also discontinued in 2024/25.”

You add that what is required is

“More flexibility within graduate apprenticeships to respond to employer needs.”

Can you touch on some of those issues?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Lesley Jackson, you can come in on that as well if you want.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry, what kind of negative experience?

10:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 25th meeting of the Finance and Public Administration Committee in 2025. The first item on our agenda is evidence from two panels of witnesses on responding to long-term fiscal pressures as part of our pre-budget scrutiny for 2026-27. Our first evidence-taking session is a round-table discussion.

I welcome Andy Witty, director of strategic policy and corporate governance at Colleges Scotland; Stacey Dingwall, head of policy and external affairs for Scotland at the Federation of Small Businesses; Elaine Morrison, director of boosting capital investment at Scottish Enterprise; Tom Ockendon, external affairs co-ordinator at the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations; and Lesley Jackson, deputy director of Universities Scotland. Thank you all for your written submissions.

We have around 90 minutes for this evidence session. I will kick off by putting a question to Andy Witty. If anyone wants to come in on the back of that, let me know: put your hand up or nod as if you are at an auction—you will not end up buying any candlesticks or obscure paintings, so do not worry. Let me know if you want to come in, and we will have as free flowing a discussion as possible.

If we get stuck at any point, I have questions arising from each of your papers, which I might come in on—and I might come in on those anyway to move things forward. Please feel free to say whatever you wish, when you wish, and to make as many contributions as possible. It is the same for members.

Andy Witty, at the very start of the Colleges Scotland submission, on the subject of specific fiscal sustainability challenges, you wrote:

“it is vital that Scotland maximises the participation and contribution of its population … Gaining the participation in the labour market of those who are currently not in work, education or training, and with support for people who face barriers to work such as neurodiversity or disability”.

You went on to say that it is important to

“Ensure access to appropriate training, qualifications and upskilling which are aligned to Scotland’s economic needs.”

Could you expand on that for us, please? Where does Colleges Scotland fit in with that objective?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Lesley, you will have heard what John Mason said, but I note that your submission says that

“86% of new jobs in Scotland by 2035 will be at graduate level”,

which I found really astonishing, given that, as we have just heard, we need welders, plumbers, bricklayers and people to work in retail and hospitality and God knows where else. Surely that 86 per cent figure cannae be right.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The part of your submission that I started on was how to incentivise employers to recruit, retain and retrain older workers. How do you get them to do that and change their mindset?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have a wee anecdote from when I was in Glasgow City Council: the council used to win all the training awards for the best construction workers; the private businesses would hoover them all up at the end of the training course and the council would be left with the others, so to speak. That was way back in the 1990s.