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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Lastly, when I was at school, my twin sister went to Faskally and had a fantastic time. The teachers just said, “You, you and you are going,” and I was not one of the ones who were chosen, so I never got to go. However, when my son went to Castle Toward, he found it deeply distressing; he had never been away from home before and was very upset. Although the pupils were not supposed to phone home, he was allowed to, and as I have said, he was really upset. So, it is not always the boon that some people think it is.

I have to say, though, that when I was 16, I went with my Latin class to Athens and Pompeii and had a fantastic time. John Mason’s comments about overseas trips should be considered, too, because you can be wandering around Epidaurus, Mycenae and Marathon when you are 15. I have always been interested in classical Greece, and that kind of thing can be quite inspirational, too.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that. Your evidence has been really helpful, Liz. As you know, the committee will deliberate on the matter in due course.

We will have a five-minute suspension so that we can change over the witnesses and give colleagues a natural break.

10:50 Meeting suspended.  

10:59 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry, I was being a bit sneaky there. I just thought that I would try to catch you unawares, early on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Great minds think alike.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I will open questions to colleagues around the table, beginning with Craig Hoy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You could always have an exhibition outside the chamber at the bottom of the members’ block. It does not cost anything.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I know. That is because it does not cost anything. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for giving evidence today. That concludes the public part of our deliberation, and we will have a two-minute break to allow our official report and broadcasting colleagues, and witnesses, to leave.

12:07 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that comprehensive opening statement. I can more or less wind up at that, I suppose, given that you have answered most of the questions.

Everyone on the committee appreciates your passionate commitment to the bill and the topic that it covers, so we will focus specifically on financial matters—which, according to the submissions that we have received, as you will be well aware, are significant.

Paragraph 6 of the financial memorandum says:

“The Member acknowledges that what mechanism the Scottish Ministers use to allocate funding required for this Bill is a matter for them.”

In addition, paragraph 11 says:

“Under this Bill, the responsibility for funding for the provision of residential outdoor education rests with the Scottish Government, thus ensuring blanket provision”.

You mentioned PEF in your opening statement, but what do you believe would be the most appropriate vehicle for the Scottish Government to fund the provisions of the bill, and do you believe that that funding should be ring fenced?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You mentioned such a trust in your opening statement. How would that work? For example, would the Government have to put in some seed money to draw in additional funding from elsewhere, in order to make the trust work?