The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
All Official Reports of meetings in the Debating Chamber of the Scottish Parliament.
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
The Fiscal Commission produced a report in 2023 on the cost of climate mitigation and prevention and—if my memory serves me right—I think that the figure for Scotland alone was £188 billion across the public and private sectors. That is a good £35,000 a head, which is a lot of money. I think that we have been almost blinded by the headlights when it comes to the sheer scale of things, which is probably why the matter has not been tackled as well as it should have been.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Exactly. While you are at it, we would like the devolution of fags, bevvy and fuel—that would bring a few bob into the Scottish Government’s coffers.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
That is great. Thank you very much.
Meeting closed at 11:59.Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I have only a couple more questions, because colleagues are keen to come in, as they always are. They are not quite champing at the bit, I must say—they are all very relaxed this morning—but they are keen to come in.
I understand that the Government is quite ambitious about reducing the number of civil servants. What will the annual reduction target be over the next five years?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
That was greatly appreciated, cabinet secretary.
Some of the more starry-eyed and excitable members of the Labour Party told us last year that, after the UK general election, Scotland would be at the heart of the UK Government. The fact that the Scottish Government was not even consulted on the date of the autumn statement gives the lie to that—as have many other developments over the past 14 or 15 months.
It is really disappointing that the autumn statement will be on 26 November, which is four weeks later than the date of last year’s statement. I can understand the difficulties that that presents to the Scottish Government. It also presents the committee with difficulties in its scrutiny, as you can imagine. Having the budget on 15 January means that it will be 50 days after the autumn statement, and we are all aware that that includes a fortnight over Christmas. If we exclude that, it is the same length of time as was available last year. Even so, the 15th is very late, and it is a Thursday. That would give the committee only the following Tuesday to cobble together some kind of scrutiny. I realise that it will be difficult for officials, the Scottish Fiscal Commission and others, but if we were to get the draft budget on Wednesday 7 January, which would be a week and a day earlier than is being suggested, that would at least allow for more effective scrutiny and would give some breathing space for consideration following the presentation of the draft budget.
I am not asking you to give us a definite answer on that today—although it would be great if you could. I hope that you can consider that idea, as the truncating of scrutiny would be very disappointing for the committee and for the whole management of the draft budget.
Do you wish to comment on any of those points before we turn to specific questions?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I know that you can be knocked off field by things such as the employer national insurance contributions increase. In the area that I represent, in North Ayrshire, 54 per cent of the council tax increase—some £6.8 million a year—is going into paying ENICs, and that is just the direct cost. However, given that we were told in January of this year that the deal was likely to be in February, it seems disappointing that we cannot get it concluded. I am sure that others would like to see it concluded quickly as well.
We have talked about capital over the years in the committee, and there has been great frustration that the investment pipeline always seems to be just beyond us—it is like a donkey with a carrot on the end of a stick. We keep pursuing it, but we never quite get to see an infrastructure pipeline. When it is produced, will it contain shovel-ready projects, as some witnesses have asked for?
Obviously, capital can fluctuate and one concern is that sometimes, at the end of a financial year, capital is rolled over. If there were shovel-ready projects, there would be a bit more flexibility in terms of being able to deliver on some projects in the short term.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
You touched on the invest to save fund, which I was going to ask about anyway. Witnesses were very supportive of the fund, but they said that £30 million is not enough to do more than scratch the surface, that you really need a bigger fund if you are going to make fundamental change, and that the more that you invest to save, the more radical and swift the change is likely to be. Are those fair comments?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Does that seem reasonable?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Joe Griffin told us in response to a question from Michelle Thompson that, out of a workforce of 7,000 people, there were 4,000 managers. It looks as if it is all chiefs and nae braves, if you know what I mean. If you are looking to improve efficiency, the civil service does seem relatively top heavy compared with other organisations.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I am just thinking of Ireland. In 1986, the country was effectively a basket case, so everybody sat down and decided, “Look, this is what we need to do: focus on infrastructure and education.” Look where it has gone in the past 30 or 40 years as a result; it has had phenomenal growth and success relative to where it was.
I am now going to open up the session. I call Liz Smith, to be followed by Ross Greer.