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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

So, it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle.

Mr McGowan, you say in your submission that the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service’s approach to public inquiries is that

“One Deputy Crown Agent coordinates COPFS’ response to ensure there is an overview of the way in which inquiries are dealt with and to provide consistency in responses.”

You go on to say that

“costs incurred by COPFS in relation to Public Inquiries come together into one budget line to enable the better control of costs.”

How are those costs being controlled?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is that not a bit like marking your own homework? I will let Mr Kennedy come back in, but he said that

“Independence is essential—but it must be balanced with accountability ... while working within a framework that ensures value for public money.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We talked about the opportunity costs of public inquiries on the police—the impact on the services that the police deliver—such as officers being diverted into inquiries. Mr McGowan, you also helpfully provided a couple of tables about the impact on the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. The Sheku Bayoh inquiry has cost your office more than £1 million and the child abuse inquiry more than £4.8 million. What impact has having to deliver those inquiries had on your services? What is not being done because your staff are focusing on them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Police Federation has been open about the impact on the service that the police provide. You are being a wee bit coy about the impact on your service. I will push you further on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Kennedy, in your submission, under “Cost Monitoring”, you say:

“There are no enforceable mechanisms for monitoring costs. This leads to unchecked overruns.”

You advocate for

“Independent financial oversight ... Maximum inquiry durations unless formally extended by Parliament”

and

“Annual public reporting on progress and spend”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have a question about the implementation of recommendations, which, as I touched on earlier, has been a bugbear for many people. About 3,250 recommendations have come forward from 54 completed UK inquiries since 1990, and hundreds of them do not seem to have been implemented. Mr Kennedy suggested that there should be

“Statutory deadlines for publication of implementation plans ... Annual reporting to Parliament on progress”

and

“Independent post-implementation review”,

which, for example, was done in Jersey two years after the child abuse inquiry there. Would the COPFS support a post-review?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Would the COPFS suggest anything specific to improve the public inquiry system?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You put the tariffs in perspective in your report, which says that trade with the US accounts for only 2 per cent of Scottish gross domestic product. The concern is about the impact on specific sectors of the Scottish economy. In fact, the impact will be felt not only by certain sectors but by certain geographic areas—the obvious example is whisky. Obviously, you are keeping a very close eye on the matter.

You now project that GDP will increase by 1.2 per cent this year, instead of the 1.6 per cent that you predicted in December. Is that still likely to be the case? You also say, in paragraph 34 of your report, that there will be “broadly flat employment growth”.

09:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I just have a few more points, one of which is about pay. There is an underlying frustration with the Scottish Government’s pay policy, and we have discussed that on a couple of occasions. On average, it is an increase of 3 per cent over three years and 9 per cent in total. We already seem to be breaching that with national health service pay and, understandably, unions in other sectors are looking for similar pay increases. What impact would there be on those projections if, for example, pay settlements across the public sector mirrored those of the NHS?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have just a couple of further points. The first relates to social security. I am curious about employability services. The wee footnote in your report says:

“The forecast of Employability Services is an indicative forecast and includes spending on Fair Start Scotland and elements of No One Left Behind.”

You have the figure increasing from £52 million to £60 million to £73 million in the current year, which is an increase of about 15 to 20 per cent per year, and then you have it projected to go from £73 million to £70 million and remain at that level for five years. Is there a reason for that?