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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is why I specifically talked about making such a call in the media, as opposed to, for example, speaking to the chair of the inquiry and providing evidence as to why the inquiry should be broadened and deepened, or not, as the case may be.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank you all for your evidence this morning and, indeed, this afternoon. It has been very helpful for our deliberations.

Meeting closed at 13:17.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What are the differences in terms of outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I will let colleagues ask questions in a second, because I know that everyone is keen to come in, but I have a further question for Lord Hardie. You have said that a direction advising participants that there would be no opening statements would avoid extra time being taken up at public hearings, as well as reducing time and effort on the part of legal representatives, and could also save money. Will you explain why the opening statements are such a lengthy and costly process that they impact on an inquiry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is interesting. I said that that was my final question, but I actually meant to follow up with another, which is about the Maxwellisation process. Rule 12(7) prohibits the inclusion of any criticism of a person unless the chair has sent that person a warning letter and the person has been given a reasonable opportunity to respond to it. That process takes a considerable amount of time. How long does it take? Those of us in the real world might think it would take days or perhaps weeks, but I get the impression that that is not the case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One of my concerns is that what the bill originally set out to do—which it is still keen to do—was to ensure the same quality of service in my constituency of Cunninghame North as in your own constituency, in Caithness. That was the worry that preceded the development of the bill.

There are already huge staffing problems. For example, in Arran, in my constituency, the Scottish Government helped to build a new facility called Montrose house. It was opened by Shona Robison some years ago, cost £6 million and had a capacity of 30, but it is now half empty because we cannot get staff to work in it. The ferry issues make it difficult to bring people in from the mainland, and that should be seen alongside the demographic change in rural areas and the many opportunities to work in hospitality and other businesses.

How will you be able to deliver the staff, especially when that is likely to become more, rather than less, difficult as a result of Brexit restricting the number of people who can come into the country? How will we be able to deliver on the ground? We have gone through a huge process, which, I have no doubt, has kept you up many nights, but what difference are we going to see on the ground? Where will we get the staff to deliver on the Scottish Government’s ambitions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If I am involved in an inquiry in which I am paid and I am calling for that inquiry to be deepened and widened, that is surely a conflict of interest. I would have a direct interest in the inquiry being broadened. Is that not the case? Is that in any way appropriate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I turn to Mr Pugh.

13:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you. In relation to data, you have said that there is

“an associated ‘integrated health and social care record’ technical development which will”

make it

“easier to specify what information should be fed into the ‘record’ by what organisation. However, the Scottish Government considers the scope of the information sharing and information standards provision to be broader than this. For the avoidance of doubt Section 36, as drafted, will not in itself legislate for the creation of an ‘integrated health and social care record”.

Why not? The committee was in Estonia last year, where we looked at X-Road, which is a tremendously integrated health data record in which everyone can look back through their individual health data, as can professionals. There are real issues about data interoperability. Will the data that the bill creates be interoperable?