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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Having flexibility in the system is important. I remember a similar circumstance a decade or more ago when I was trying to get a dialysis machine for Arran from NHS Ayrshire and Arran, which I was able to do.

You touched on numbers in your opening statement and again just now. The Royal Pharmaceutical Society in Scotland has said that, according to the financial memorandum,

“the cost of each dose provided to a terminally ill adult to end their own life would be £80. We think this is likely to be a huge underestimate of the actual cost for each dose, once all the costs of procurement, storage, facilitation, disposal etc. are considered.”

It goes on to say:

“Furthermore, in Queensland, where voluntary assisted dying legislation is in place, circa 300 people had an assisted death in the first 6 months. This is for a population which is very similar in size to Scotland.”

You have touched on the fact that the legislation in different areas, whether Victoria, Oregon, Canada or Queensland, is different, but a common theme in the evidence that we have received is that there is an underestimate of the number of people who would wish to progress with assisted dying, if the legislation were passed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Children’s Hospices Across Scotland has raised similar concerns.

The Scottish Partnership for Palliative Care also said that

“the Bill makes no provision for the inspection and scrutiny of services providing AD, and there is consequently no cost identified in the FM”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

There might be a shift if, indeed, there is not

“a duty on NHS boards to provide AD”.

We could have a situation, one imagines, where one or two boards could decide that the medics in their area are not keen to take that process forward and one could end up with a postcode lottery. That is what the Scottish Partnership for Palliative Care is suggesting in its submission. It also says:

“The Bill is very largely silent on the organisational arrangements by which AD will be delivered. It would make AD a legal activity for registered practitioners, but places no duties on organisations to provide such a service.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Andy Witty, the college sector is fundamental. You say in your submission that

“Key Scottish Government initiatives, including the country’s ability to meet the upskilling demands of the green economy and the NHS, depend on college graduates to contribute to economic productivity”,

and other submissions have also touched on that point. You obviously have concerns about the budget in terms of the college sector.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will ask Sandy Begbie to answer that. Sandy, you are the only one who has not given us a written submission, so I will pick on you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Alastair McInroy, your submission is a positive one. You say:

“Scotland is home to a Supercluster in Critical Technologies, a constellation of overlapping and mutually supporting technology sub sectors—photonics, quantum, semiconductors, and wireless and sensing technologies.”

You rightly say that that is

“largely invisible to the general public”

but that it

“generates £4.2bn in revenues for Scotland, with over 150 companies supporting nearly 11,000 jobs”.

You say that

“A recent initiative, developed in partnership between Technology Scotland, Scottish Government, Scottish Enterprise, University of Glasgow and University of Strathclyde, sets out an ambition to grow the supercluster beyond £10bn in revenues by 2035, adding a further 6,600 jobs”

but go on to say that

“There is also a reported shortage of modern buildings suitable for advanced manufacturing in Critical technologies.”

and that

“Start-ups and SMEs find it difficult to secure investment”.

We have a fantastic industry that is moving forward, but you have made a number of points about where the Scottish Government could assist you further in growing that successful industry for Scotland. Can you talk about that for a minute or two?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is a lot of untapped talent, straight away.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I was in India last year and, in Delhi, I met people in fintech and from Tata and a number of organisations. SDI has only two staff in Bombay, which is in a country of 1.5 billion people with an economy that is growing 7 per cent a year. Last year, India had 139 unicorns with $1 billion or more of start-up investment. Do you not feel that our overseas presence is too light in such emerging economies and that opportunities are perhaps being missed as a result?

10:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

It is a nice segue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 December 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. Which of our two Alastairs wants to go next?