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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You have almost touched on the next question that I was going to ask, which is about a concern. The Health, Social Care and Sport Committee’s “Stage 1 Report on the Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland Bill” said:

“Stakeholders noted concerns over ... the potential for overlap and duplication of roles and responsibilities within the system, and the future role of the proposed Commissioner within an already complex landscape.”

It is clear that there are issues relating to where the commissioner will operate relative to the existing landscape. How can the commissioner really work within that landscape effectively without there being duplication and overlap?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I have a question for Clare Haughey before I open up the session to colleagues around the table. We had a round-table session last week. One of the issues that came up in that session was that commissioners could potentially take away some of the democratic accountability of ministers. Where do you think that the patient safety commissioner fits in with ministerial responsibility?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Do you think that there is enough parliamentary oversight of that landscape, which, to put it mildly, does seem to be rather complex?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I note that the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner falls within your remit. On scrutinising that individual’s work and the work of his team, he gave really interesting evidence when he came to this committee, and I was very impressed by the work that is being done. Would your committee consider not just taking round-table evidence, as we do, but going out to visit the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner to look at the work that is being done on the ground, for example? Do you think that that approach might be beneficial in assessing the work of a specific commissioner, such as the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. That concludes the committee’s questioning. Do you wish to make any further points before we wind up the session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

How is the success—or not, as the case may be—of such a commissioner measured? One thing that this committee is concerned about in a whole host of areas is outcomes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thanks.

Audrey, you have said that a victims and witnesses commissioner

“should be for a time-limited period”

and that

“Parliament would want to see clear evidence that the post of Commissioner has noticeably improved the experience of victims and witnesses.”

How do you envisage the Parliament being able to scrutinise that effectively?

09:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry to interrupt you, but that is one of the things that we are trying to grasp—how we evaluate the difference that the commissioners make. If a commissioner was not there, what would the difference be? For example, what would the difference be for children and young people? Could the work be done by the Government or any other organisation? There are issues of democratic accountability as well, of course.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The commissioner gives you a lot of evidence and the committee asks a lot of questions and so on, but how do you evaluate her effectiveness? Do you take it at face value or do you examine the commissioner in other ways to see whether she is delivering the work that she is supposed to do in relation to her remit? How do you assess that in relation to her budget and whether she is delivering efficiently and effectively against her budget?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2024 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

Agenda item 1 is an evidence-taking session for our inquiry into Scotland’s commissioner landscape. We are joined in the room by Audrey Nicoll, convener of the Criminal Justice Committee, and remotely by Clare Haughey, convener of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. Good morning, and welcome to the meeting. I intend to allow around an hour for this session, and we are going to move straight to questions.

Audrey, I want to begin by asking you about your committee’s report on the Victims, Witnesses and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, in which you said:

“We remain to be convinced that a strong case has been made for the establishment of a Victims and Witnesses Commissioner. Instead, we consider that better outcomes may be achieved by focusing spending in areas which have more direct and immediate benefit for victims and witnesses.”

How did the committee arrive at that conclusion?