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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
My mother had dementia, but you could have a conversation with her, and she was still doing sudoku and reading the papers every day. Then there was lockdown, and six months later, she was unable even to speak. Obviously the disease was advancing, but isolation was a factor, too.
Theoretically, then, I could give evidence to the Covid inquiry; I am not intending to, of course, but the bottom line is that we are talking about a huge number of people, and it just becomes very difficult. You get what is called in economics “diseconomies of scale”. The quality of the inquiry is at a certain level, but then you get so much information that the quality ends up going down, and all that happens is that the time for deliberation gets extended.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
So, you have one person speaking on behalf of 50 people.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
A maximum number, then.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I understand that, but when you get to 500 or 1,000, it becomes—
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I am tempted to comment on that. I think that a lot of these issues are raised by members in members’ business debates and in the chamber, and ministers are put under pressure in any case. After all, inquiries are not just decided; there tends to be a build-up of pressure, with a lot of public angst, media inquiries and so on. Your point is well made, though, and it is certainly one that we will consider.
Thank you very much, Mr McGuire. Again, we greatly appreciate your taking the time to come along and give evidence—it is a really important part of the work that we are carrying out. I should say that we will continue to take evidence for the inquiry over the rest of this month and into the next, and we will be reporting on our findings not in five years, but in December.
Meeting closed at 12:14.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
In your submission, you say that the Treasury’s apparent reluctance to underwrite the additional funds essential for a UK-wide scheme
“leaves the Scottish Government with few options other than replicating the levy approach adopted in England and Wales.”
Your mentioned a progressive scheme. I note that, from my reading of the bill—this is our first public evidence session on it—it is already looking quite complex. In your submission, you say that
“a complex scheme could increase the risk of unintentional non-compliance”
as well as the cost of administration. How do you square that circle in relation to trying to make it somewhat more progressive while, at the same time, not making it too complex?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
Your submission goes on to say:
“if implemented correctly, the levy can contribute toward a market incentive for better quality building work, reducing the need for future remediation and giving buyers greater confidence in safety standards.”
That is what we want to achieve. However, given that the levy would add, for argument’s sake, £3,000 to the price of a house, would some builders not try to cut corners further so that they do not have to pass the cost on to customers? Could a levy have the opposite effect?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
I completely agree with you, but there is an issue with the scrutiny. Someone—the clerk of works, or whoever—has to check that the work has been implemented to the correct standard.
Two years down the line from a development in my constituency—I will not say which one—being fully occupied, we suddenly found out that the sewerage system had not been installed to the required standard, which is causing issues, as you can imagine. It is not just about having the regulations but about ensuring that they are fully implemented.
Mr Drummond, you said:
“Firstly, Scotland needs to preserve and build upon its existing public sector building control system. Secondly, procurement must be very substantially improved to ensure higher quality in construction.”
How do we do that? Do we have the people with the skills to do that? Is that quality out there? What lead time did you have in mind for implementing that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
We could talk about a number of other points, but all five of my colleagues around the table are keen to come in.
Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Kenneth Gibson
That was a helpful comment.