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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. You have also said:

“devolution has afforded some scope for differences in matters of people policy and on how the Scottish Civil Service operates”.

Can you expand on that a wee bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Jackie McAllister has been waiting very patiently.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that comprehensive answer. I am sure that, like me, colleagues will have spent a joyous weekend in the sunshine reading the quality production that I am holding up—the Scottish Government’s bill handbook. One of our concerns about that is that it does not seem to include a definition of a framework bill. That issue has caused great concern to this committee over the past couple of years, particularly in relation to, for example, the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I am wondering what progress will be made to try to ensure that we have a definition of framework bills.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I am quite intrigued by job families and how that operates. I wonder whether Lesley Fraser would come in here to talk about job families. We have some background information on it, but for the record I am keen to hear about how you envisage it working. Could you also touch on the people strategy and workforce planning? I understand that there has been a 29 per cent reduction in contingent workers over the piece.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. You touched on the medium-term financial strategy and the letter about that that members have been given only this morning. I will ask about that first.

I think that there will be disappointment throughout the committee. I have not spoken to all members yet—I found out less than an hour ago that I was receiving the letter. Surely, sending something along the lines that the strategy will not come out until Thursday 20 June is not really acceptable from a scrutiny point of view. That makes it extremely difficult for clerking teams to get papers out to members, let alone for members to absorb them in order to have any meaningful scrutiny at our last committee meeting on the Tuesday before recess.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. Of course, the discussion has stimulated further questions in my mind, but I am not going to ask them. We are well over our time and we must be fair to our second panel of witnesses, who have been extremely patient, given that we have overrun by about 50 minutes.

I thank the permanent secretary and his team for answering our questions so directly and frankly, and I thank colleagues, too, for their questions. I will now call a two-minute break while we change witnesses.

11:49 Meeting suspended.  

11:54 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I will ask you in a second how you feel that we should be rethinking that, but I first ask Dr Elliott to answer the question with regards to what the Law Society has said about the integrity branch. What is your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

The committee is aware of all those potential iterations, but I am quite keen on finding out what your view is. Do you feel that we should have an expanded Scottish Human Rights Commission with a rapporteur, for example, rather than independent commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Kenneth Gibson

You were head of legal in the Scottish Government, so you have a unique experience in that you are able to see things from the inside and the outside. You have said that consideration should be given to a more systematic approach to post-legislative scrutiny involving legislation relating to commissioners. Can you expand on that? How long after legislation has been passed should that post-legislative scrutiny take place? A year? Two years? Five years?