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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is what I was going to ask about next. What has been the opportunity cost for NSS of participating in public inquiries over the past decade or so?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I will now open up the session to questions from other members. Liz Smith will be first, to be followed by John Mason.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Those costs are included in other areas of funding.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mary Morgan, do you have any idea, given that you have been involved in inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am in the wrong business.

Among the on-going inquiries, we have not touched much on the Scottish child abuse inquiry, which began in December 2014 and, up to March this year, had cost £95.3 million. It is important that people have their say, but, when an inquiry looks at issues going back decades, many people who were involved will die during the course of the inquiry, so they will never see justice done at any level. Surely a balance needs to be struck. None of us is immortal, so, if an inquiry lasts years and years, a lot of people will simply not live to see the report coming out, never mind the recommendations being effectively implemented.

This follows on from what John Mason was saying. The Australian Covid inquiry cost £4 million and took 13 months. The UK inquiry has already cost £200 million, and the Scottish one has cost nearly £39 million. Is it likely that those inquiries will deliver more justice than the Australian one did? Where should the balance be struck?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The NSS written submission states:

“clarity in the scope of inquiries’ terms of reference and timelines at the outset is key to cost effectiveness.”

Do you agree with NSS on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

On the surface, public inquiries are pretty straightforward. They are about what happened, why it happened, who is to blame and how we prevent it from happening again—however, look where we are.

Mary, in your written submission, you state:

“Section 28 of the Fatal Accidents and Sudden Death etc (Scotland) Act 2016 introduced a requirement that those to whom FAI recommendations are directed at must provide a response to a FAI’s Determination within 8 weeks. The response must set out what changes have been made or are proposed, or the reasons why no action is being taken.”

You suggest that

“a similar requirement could be introduced in law requiring participants in public inquiries to report to Parliament with their written response to the inquiries’ reports.”

You say:

“this was a positive step which occurred in the UK Infected Blood Inquiry.”

Can you talk us through your thinking on that a wee bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is very helpful. You touched on the fact that 20 public inquires are on-going—in 1997, there were no more than five—and there are two new ones this year. Do Governments jump too quickly to a public inquiry in order to assuage public concerns and almost kick the issue into touch?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is important that people have an opportunity to say their piece, but, if that ends up getting lost in a 10,000-page report, how significant will that be in having an impact on what happens next?

I have a final question for Rebecca McKee. Two weeks ago, we asked Professor Cameron about the motivation for legal teams to deliver more timeously during inquiries—I will put it diplomatically—because inquiries can perhaps be seen as a dripping roast for lawyers. Where is the motivation for them to do their work more quickly and less expensively?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is great—you have more or less answered the next two questions that I was going to ask. However, I will go back to the issue of timescales. You talked about work being undertaken in modules. Is it your view that, if different aspects of an inquiry can be looked at in parallel, as opposed to there being a two-dimensional process in which issues are considered one after the other, that can reduce the timeframe for an inquiry?