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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 February 2026
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

Is that the only body that you are waiting for?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

No, I am grateful for your intervention, convener, because you reminded me about the submission that we received from the consulate general of Italy on 13 March 2025. Perhaps I could ask the minister to have another look at that.

Should the UK NSC, which we have not heard from since April 2024, also not have a good look at the evidence from Italy? It is pretty overwhelming. Its screening programme has been tremendously effective, particularly for young and active athletes. Surely it would not be difficult to implement a pilot screening programme for young athletes, perhaps via the various sporting associations.

Minister, I entirely accept your commitment, I am impressed by your general approach and I do not mean to give you a hard time today, but we all feel that we have not quite bottomed out this topic yet. To do justice to the petitioners, we are willing to work with you to try to get something done, unlike the UK NSC doing the square root of diddly-squat until the end of the decade.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

Thanks for that, convener.

To be serious, Denmark was cited as an example of good practice for training, because it embedded mandatory CPR training in schools. By law, kids must receive the training at an early age. There is some contra-evidence in research that has been brought to our attention but, nonetheless, as raised by Kym Kestell in the British Heart Foundation’s submission, Scotland is the only UK nation where CPR is neither mandated in the school curriculum nor tracked through reporting. I know that each local authority says that it is committed to doing that, but would it not be simpler if we mandated it, so that everyone has to do it? We would know exactly where we are and we would be able to judge the outcomes by virtue of a clear law, rather than by an aspiration that we hope that local authorities will do nice things at some point in the future.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

Again, the minister must be capable of reading my mind, which is an alarming prospect for her. I was going to ask about Cameron McGerr because it was brought to the committee’s attention that the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills wrote to him after he delivered his time for reflection contribution and offered to meet him. You have already alluded to the fact that the meeting is being pursued, for which I am grateful. Once it has been pursued, I wonder whether you could alert the committee to what is happening.

I appreciate that you do not have portfolio responsibility, because the matter falls under education, but to get back to the real topic, would it not be simpler if every child had to learn CPR at school? I think that I learned it when I was 45, as it just happens that I was in a mountain rescue team. It was a strange way to learn it, although I suppose it was better than nothing. It shows the random way in which people are learning about CPR. Would it not be best that, like Denmark, every child learns about CPR in primary school?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

Will it be available to members of the public around February 2026?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

You were going to opine, convener.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

I can understand that, but the UK NSC’s submission of 9 May 2024 said that there was not enough evidence because there is not a predictive test, there is

“insufficient understanding of the genetic risk”

and it does not really know what to do with people after screening anyway. It was all a bit negative, do you not think? The UK NSC is really saying that it does not really know much about it, there is no way that it can find out what to do about it and it does not know what to do about it, even after screening. For a national body to come up with three reasons for doing nothing, all of which are an admission that it does not know, seems to be lacking, and it is not what we would expect from a distinguished national body with eminent people serving on it.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Emergency Cardiac Care

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

You must be clairvoyant, minister, because I was just going to ask about Denmark. I do not have a clairvoyant relationship with many ministers. [Laughter.]

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

Do you agree with the general proposition and principle that biological males should not be imprisoned in women’s prisons?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Fergus Ewing

We also need to write to the Lord Advocate.