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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 February 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

In all the documentation that Ivan McKee has set out as part of his work on public service reform, he has gone into a huge amount of detail for each portfolio area. Each portfolio area has had to complete returns on the level of workforce reductions for each public body. Each public body has a target for head-count reduction, which can be tracked. All the material on that can be provided, and I am happy to provide it if doing so would be helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I will provide the questions and the framework of the discussions. I will not necessarily provide material on the detailed discussions held about that information, because they were part of my meetings with colleagues about what the options were.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I had a very good meeting with the college principal last week, when we talked about the work that is happening on what is a very ambitious project and how the Scottish Funding Council is gearing up and working with the college as one of the first out of the box, if you like, to use a new revenue finance-based funding mechanism. The Scottish Funding Council is working on the detail of that with the college; the college principal is now sitting on the funding group; and the group has been given to autumn to come up with the actual mechanism and vehicle for delivering the revenue finance infrastructure plan, starting with the two colleges that have been prioritised—Dundee and Angus College and Forth Valley College. That vehicle can be used for further investment in the college estate; the key will be private sector investment through revenue finance, and that detailed work is on-going.

I guess that my reflection back to you, Mr Marra, is whether casting doubt on a project and describing it as being kicked into the long grass is in any way helpful in building confidence in the private sector, which will be required to come to the table to provide the finance. I do not think that that has been received very well by the college—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

Yes, potentially. It is a good point on police and fire pensions, for example. We have finally managed to get agreement to move funding into AME. We were carrying all the volatility and all the risk, so we have been able to shift that into AME, which gives us no fiscal benefit apart from future proofing against risk. It is a good thing, and we have moved forward with that.

Your point is well made. Although there have been constraints, UK Government departments have traditionally relied on reserve claims. I understand why the new UK Labour Government has put in place some pretty rigid restrictions—we had the chaos of the previous UK Tory Government underfunding budgets and relying entirely on reserve claims, and we ended up having to have emergency budgets because we found out what funding we had only late in the day. Those changes are welcome, but the fundamental point remains that, when we consider the peaks and troughs in the spending review outlook—2027-28 will be particularly difficult—the only lever that we have been able to deploy has been the one that we have created ourselves: the ScotWind fund.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I will bring Ellen Leaver in to say more, but we have regular discussions with COSLA and with individual local authorities. For a number of years, we have ensured that we have a clear picture of any individual local authorities that are in more difficult situations than others. We have some very small local authorities and, without getting into the reasons why local authority boundaries are as they are, a small number of authorities have council tax bases that make it very challenging indeed to provide the range of services that are required by an authority of their size. We have been working with some of those authorities to look at how they might share services with neighbouring authorities and we have supported some authorities with ambitious change programmes. Local authorities are not all in the same position. Some can make economies of scale.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

Of course. I will make sure that the cabinet secretary for culture is aware of the discussion that has taken place this morning about those matters, as we will do for any issues that have come up for other portfolios. I am sure that you will make the most of the opportunity on Thursday morning to address those issues in more detail.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I have taken the view that it was important to set out the funding in the draft budget. Is there a wad of cash somewhere that has not been allocated? No.

One reason why it was important to engage with the Opposition in the lead-up to the draft budget was to try to reflect the key things that were asked for in it—although not everybody’s asks will be reflected and we cannot meet all the demand. I have tried to do that, particularly with what the Greens and the Liberal Democrats asked for. Those elements are all reflected in the draft budget.

We have engaged with local government on the potential for delivering complex care in a different way. One problem for health and social care partnerships is unforeseen high-tariff packages coming in, which can be costly for health and social care partnerships. They can slow down the process of the person coming out of hospital, because it is known that the package will disrupt the assumptions that have been made. Sometimes, those people do not have the best experience of getting back into the community, and they do not always get the package that they require, given their complexities.

Therefore, Neil Gray has embarked on discussing with COSLA whether we could deliver complex care in a different way, where the Scottish Government supports a split with local government on some of those high-tariff packages. The criteria would need to be set out very clearly—a high bar would be needed—but we could support the costs on an agreed split to avoid those disruptive, eye-wateringly high-tariff packages.

Most importantly, that would be better for the people involved, because they could be supported to get home, into the community, or into an appropriate setting more quickly. Delays in that area are some of the longest delays in hospital. There is more work to be done, but the principle is that we could support that.

This is maybe an answer that you were not expecting: on whether there is a wheen of money in a sofa somewhere, the answer is no, but we are talking to local government about supporting them in the social care space in a way that can avoid the expensive packages all falling on local government.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I will bring in Ellen Leaver, as that also relates to the position on capital in 2025-26.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

In recognition of the capital constraints, I have been keen to reach what I guess you could call accelerator deals with individual local authorities on infrastructure priorities. We have been quite successful in doing that in the past. We have a very successful example in Granton, here in Edinburgh, and we are considering working with West Lothian Council on Winchburgh station. We are considering the three island authorities’ essential infrastructure investment.

It is essentially by using local government borrowing that we will provide support, with other funding streams coming into play, and build a package to help address the constraints in capital by growing the pot in those ways. I have been clear with COSLA that I am open to considering what else we can do in that space.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 27 January 2026

Shona Robison

I will bring in Richard McCallum on the detail but, as I said in my opening statement, we have the overall position of what we call the taxonomy of the climate-moving elements of the budget. That level has gone up—it is above £5 billion now and it covers, across government, the areas that will make the difference in terms of the investment.

I invite Richard McCallum to provide a bit more detail.