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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
As you would expect, we are bringing that degree of examination and challenge to all of our programmes—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
I will come back to you on that. At the moment, we are in the midst of working through the carbon budgets and the climate plan and trying to align all that against a difficult fiscal backdrop. You are right to challenge the elements that are related to adaptation and mitigation; the question is how we pay for them. It cannot all come from the public purse, because there is just not enough funding.
We must consider how we lever in private sector investment and incentivise it. Let us take the example of district heating systems. Clearly, the financial model can work; we just need to push forward with it. It can be frustrating and slow to do so, but there is a financial model that can work, which uses the public sector to oil the wheels and private sector investment to put in place the infrastructure. We need to get better at identifying the issues and how we can lever in private finance and decarbonisation more generally, because we will not be able to fund it all through the public purse.
I will explore the overall cost with climate colleagues and come back to you on that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
This answer is at a very high level—I am not going to get into percentages—but I am keen to empower local government to raise more funds. Obviously, that will have to be done in a responsible way.
Councils do have borrowing powers; actually, they have more borrowing powers than the Scottish Government—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
—but some are more at the limit of those powers than others.
There are certain approaches that we are exploring in the space of outcomes-based funding, and the one that is most advanced is the Granton housing project in Edinburgh, which also has an active travel and decarbonisation element. There are opportunities for individual local authorities to do more of that.
There is also the question of the local government pension fund, which is sitting at about £67 billion or £68 billion, and the strategic use of that investment, which local government is keen to discuss. Housing has been suggested as an obvious opportunity in that respect, but there could also be opportunities for infrastructure projects such as those for mitigating climate issues, for example, as well as other big decarbonisation and district heating projects. We need to explore whether more can be done in that space.
Clearly, any such models must have a return on investment—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
Housing and energy are good examples, I think. There is more that we can discuss in that space.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
And we are trying to do it as a devolved nation.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
Yes, that is progressing. We have a new Chief Secretary to the Treasury, and I have not had a chance to raise it with him. I have had a very short introductory meeting with him, during which I had to raise certain things. I am getting a list of things together to talk to him about at the finance interministerial standing committee.
I have actually just been given an update here. We have agreed with CST to apply a bespoke arrangement to set the baseline for the block grant adjustment for the aggregates tax. We will use the outturn for the year of the tax’s introduction, which is 2026-27. That will ensure compatibility between the Scottish aggregates tax and the UK aggregates levy and avoid distortions in year 1 revenues.
I had not realised that—progress has been made beyond what I had understood.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
I will ask my official, Lucy O’Carroll, to come in on ADT.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
In practice, it would be highly unlikely that we would move forward with that under the current arrangements. I have said that before. I will have a look at the wording but, for the avoidance of doubt, it is neither our intention, nor that of the UK Government, to move forward with that because of the inability to resolve the risks. If the wording does not properly reflect that, we will have a look at it.
11:15Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 30 September 2025
Shona Robison
We will set out the position on that at the budget, but I have pointed to the framework and the principles around that.