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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

If you were to ask the chancellor whether she thinks that it has been a success, she would probably express huge concerns about what is now unfolding. These are debates that will, no doubt, be had this afternoon, but as far as I am concerned, the ENICs increase is a tax on the public sector and businesses that will have an impact for quite some time. As a lever, it seems to fly in the face of the policy objective of economic growth.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Let us see whether I can improve on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

It is a source of regret that there has been no reform, which has needed to happen, and we are back to having the same debates.

My offer is to work with all the parties to find areas where progress can be made—if it is fairly limited, that is still better than nothing. We will see where we get to in the various discussions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I think that we can forget about it for the foreseeable future.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Of course. I do not disagree with the First Minister—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Well, it was noted and agreed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I agree that we have a limited set of arrangements through the fiscal framework. A little bit of progress has been made, but, as the committee is well aware, that is only on the margins, and the additional borrowing capacity can be used only to address negative reconciliations and so on. Along with the Welsh and Northern Irish, our aspiration is to have a prudent borrowing capability such as local authorities have. We are on the same page in that respect.

A structure of reviews is supposed to take place every five years but not more than once in any UK or Scottish electoral cycle. That is what was agreed back when the framework was agreed to. The next review is due in 2028, but we have had a change of Government and, if the UK Labour Government were up for it, we would be keen to kick off a review much earlier. We will continue to press for that. If there is new thinking, which I hope there is, we should get on and look at the limitations.

The Welsh, in particular, are very up for that. They have been leading the charge for some time on prudential borrowing powers. As the committee knows, we work closely with the devolved Administrations on what we agree on, and we have put together some areas that we think we should get a hearing on, which we are pushing through the FISC. We will continue to do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

The one that we asked to be taken forward was the one that we got the detailed information on, although we did debate and discuss other options that were based on the evidence brought to us by a range of child poverty organisations.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I am hoping that, when we see the ambition of the projects, we will be able to put a figure on what is going to be delivered, but we need to be as ambitious as possible.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Let me reassure you. Normally, comprehensive spending reviews happen when there is a change of Government. We have seen that with the UK Labour Government conducting a spending review for its priorities. We find ourselves in the final year of this session with the UK Government having undertaken a spending review that has a direct impact on what our spending will be.

I have undertaken that we will start the spending review process. We can complete that, but I am cognisant of the fact that there may be another set of spending changes following the 2026 election. The wording was to acknowledge that that timeframe is perhaps suboptimal, this being the year before an election, potentially with a change of direction to come, depending on the spending priorities of the incoming Administration.

Please let me assure you that the work has already kicked off at pace and we will come back with the timeline of what will be completed by when.