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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Before I bring in the civil servants, I will say that we are talking about two different things here. One issue is about options around how the policy is delivered. Social Security Scotland is looking at different options around that, in collaboration with the DWP in relation to data. Various options are being explored around whether it is a top-up to benefit, for example.

We are talking about two different things: the first is how we arrived at the policy decision; the second is how Social Security Scotland is implementing it, and there are options there. The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice has said that she will come back to Parliament when that work is brought to a conclusion and set out what they are, but that work is not concluded yet.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

That is on-going work. It is not in relation to the budget specifically.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Let me finish my point.

UK Cabinet members could have looked at organisations that are part of the public sector fabric. They could have included exemptions for GP surgeries. I know that they were looking at hospices, for example, so they seem to be able to do things for particular areas when they choose to do so.

On one hand, the funding that we have received with the reset of budgets is very welcome, but it feels, on the other, as though the money from ENICs is going out through the back door. It is an opportunity cost for the public sector: the money cannot go on pay or on investing in public services on the front line.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

I am sure that we can draw on a lot of the work that was done in 2015. As I said at the start, if information can be pulled out and made public, I am happy to do that. We do not want to reinvent the wheel.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

That work is on-going and we will keep Parliament updated on it. Jennie Barugh can take it from there and talk about the appointment of the financial adviser, which is the next key stage, following which there will be a judgment on the value for money test and whether we will go forward with the proposal. That will depend on market conditions and what the financial outlook is.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

Probably not. We wanted it to be fuller, but we could get only what we could get, and we finally decided that something was better than nothing. It was not a full review; it was the lowest common denominator—what we could agree on. It was not unhelpful, but it was limited.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

The £321 million is what I have set out—the 60 per cent. The figure that we have from the Treasury is just above that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

No other approaches emerged during that discussion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

We always take cognisance of any views; we gathered a wide range of views as part of developing the strategy. As I said earlier, we look at behavioural impacts. Studies undertaken by HMRC have shown us that, to date, there is still net inward migration to Scotland, but that does not mean that we should be complacent. We must make sure that we keep monitoring any behavioural impact beyond anecdote.

You mentioned SFE. Financial services are an important part of the Scottish economy. I have heard some of the anecdotes that Craig Hoy has heard, but the success and growth of financial services in Scotland is continuing. Recent investment in Glasgow by major players in the financial services sector is a vote of confidence. They would not be investing if they did not think that they would be able to expand and recruit in Scotland.

There is a balance to be struck in ensuring that we set the right environment for business growth. A lot in the budget does that, but we should not be complacent and we will continue to monitor any behavioural change. We are working closely with HMRC to do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Shona Robison

In England, only Whitehall departments and the directly employed public sector will get the funding. Of course, the UK Government has based its calculations on that, which is why our Barnett share will not cover our costs.