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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

It consumes most of the civil service in the Scottish Government for large parts of the year. There is a need to open up the bonnet and look at everything underneath to see what is working, what is not, what needs to change and what we can afford. That happens on an on-going basis.

A relatively new exercise that we have done is budget tagging, which enables us to track spend in relation to the key priorities a bit more effectively. Whether we are doing zero-based budgeting or following the routine budgetary processes, every time, we open the bonnet, unpack what is there and challenge it. I have sat in meetings going through budget lines and asking, “What actually is that and why has it been there for 10 years?” The answers are quite interesting sometimes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

I touched on that in the exchange that I had with Craig Hoy. We are not going to spend the £22.5 billion in health and social care on something else. However, we could make pretty radical changes to what we spend that money on within the health and social care ambit. For me, that is probably a more productive conversation, because Parliament would be up in arms if anybody suggested spending all that money on something else. That would not be realistic, given the demographics and the demands on health and social care. I would turn the question on its head and consider how that money is spent within those services—that is where I would focus my attention.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

I will be honest and say that I am not sure how some of those deals meet the value-for-money tests that are in front of me now. I do not know whether the rulebooks have changed since then, because I was not around when those deals were being done.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

As I said earlier, I always reflect on the commentary, whether it is from this committee or external stakeholders, but I also look at the plans that we have set out. I spoke earlier about the health board efficiency plans. The health boards have got a track record of delivering to that level for many years, and, of course, they get to reinvest those savings. There is nothing within the plans that we have set out that suggests to me that we are not going to be able to deliver what needs to be delivered. It is not a walk in the park. It will require change. It will require the efficiency plans and the headcount reductions to happen and to happen in a managed way, and we are holding all parts of the public sector to account for all of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

I understand that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

I will certainly take that away and feed back to education colleagues, but there have been a lot of public statements about the prioritisation of the college sector and how much the uplift is in relation to the settlement. Yes—colleges did get a better settlement than universities on this particular occasion. That was broadly welcomed because of the role that they play, but there is also a need for transformation in the college sector. We touched earlier on who does what, where. That also impacts on the universities. We have previously discussed the issue of institutions all fishing in the same pond for the same people. Is there a need for our institutions to play to their strengths a bit more, rather than trying to do everything? Maybe that discussion is for another day.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

I will reflect on that, and I could certainly pass back those comments to the education secretary.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

There is a working definition of front-line staff for the purposes of understanding the shape of corporate costs across the public sector, but there will always be grey areas.

The working definition determines that front-line staff are those who, as any part of their role or for any amount of time, are in contact with the public or external bodies and are essential for delivering a public service related to the preservation of human life, health, public safety, public order, the law, transportation, food supply or property. There are long lists of examples of staff who are and who are not front-line workers—I will not talk you through them, because they are obvious. There will always be grey areas, but that definition is a guideline.

We require each organisation, in collaboration with other bodies that are similar, to think about how it can provide those support functions in a different way. The obvious example—I will come back to it for a third time—concerns the fact that we have 22 health organisations, all on similar systems and all with similar support functions behind them, and there are obvious conclusions to be drawn with regard to how things could be done differently in that space. There are other bodies that have similar roles that could share some of their support functions—and, indeed, some bodies that have quite different roles that could do likewise. We are trying to ensure that we create a culture of change that takes on a life of its own.

10:30

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review and Infrastructure Delivery Pipeline 2026

Meeting date: 10 March 2026

Shona Robison

Thank you.