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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 November 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Thank you, convener—that is very much appreciated. It would be interesting to get a view from the minister on the issue of scrutiny. The Scottish Government has been working on that issue for several years now, and it proposed its own bill, which—as the minister said—is no longer progressing.

Given the range of options for implementation, minister, what are your views on the different options that have been set out by Carnegie UK? If we are not going to have a commissioner, what alternative measures would you put in place to deliver implementation? I am keen to get your views on the different options that Carnegie UK looked at.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

That is a very good reflection because this is about how you take decisions now that have a long-term impact if you also face short-term challenges, such as Covid. You mentioned that you were concerned about investigations, but what thoughts do you have about giving organisations advice, guidance and support so that they can implement wellbeing and sustainable development principles?

You said that you were concerned about creating additional burdens on public bodies, but is there not an opportunity to consider shared best practice and how to support organisations, so that the investigations option comes only after those issues have been explored, having drawn on the experience of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales? You do not start off by investigating; you start off by supporting the principles of the purpose of those ambitions and how you could align them with the national performance framework.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

I could ask questions all day, deputy convener, but I suspect that it would be diplomatic for me to stop at this point and thank the minister for his answers.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Right. So, now that the Government has decided not to progress its own bill, which was similar in some ways to mine, it is about the national performance framework. What are your reflections on why implementation has not been undertaken thus far, with regard to the work that has been done to look at the implementation process across both Government and public sector bodies? What are your insights on why that has not happened?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Okay. It would be interesting to get your thoughts on the different oversight and accountability options. Earlier, you helpfully said to the convener that you would be happy to give more information. At this point, that would be helpful, because who will push the issue up the agenda? As you will observe, we have had the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 for a decade and the national performance framework for a long period, but the issue is how you implement their principles.

I wonder about the potential alignment between the principles of wellbeing and sustainable development and the national performance framework, given your comment about the numerous pieces of legislation that refer to sustainable development but do not implement its principles. What are the triggers that will lead to the changes that you are looking at?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Am I allowed to ask another question?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

What are the timescales for this? It goes back to the deputy convener’s point. We have an election next year, and this is an opportunity for the Parliament to take the bill forward now and get on with it, rather than waiting. The issue was raised during the 2021 election, and there is previous legislation that you have—absolutely correctly—referred to. Is this not a chance for us to get this legislation right so that it aligns with and supports the Scottish Government’s work? We could make it a wider accountability issue so that it is not sitting in a queue among other challenges.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

I am thinking about delivery of the ambition, which is central to this. Earlier, you referenced the fact that there are different options when it comes to delivering on sustainable development principles; you mentioned Audit Scotland’s role and the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales. I spoke to Audit Scotland because I was looking at what it could do to implement those principles, but it became clear that its issue was with not that requirement but the resources needed.

In Wales, one thing that has been done to avoid overlap between commissioners is to have memoranda of understanding. What are your reflections on the practical experiences in different countries that we could learn from?

That said, if you want to up the implementation, you need to do something different. It feels as if the Government’s work has been put on hold, whereas my proposals would give you an opportunity to progress what we have both worked on for several years.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Clare Moran, do you want to come in on this?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Does anyone else want to come in on the issue?