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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 October 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Sarah Boyack

Is it possible to get a sense from Chris Sherrington of what kind of money we are talking about in terms of business rates? I think that he said that only 10 organisations got support but I presume that it is not a massive amount of money. The challenge is that, to go back to Donald Smith’s point, local authorities then have less income.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

We would need a weekly update, but what I was thinking—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

It is very rare that I agree with the cabinet secretary on a huge number of issues. The bill is unprecedented; it feels dangerous as well as ill thought out. The evidence that we have heard, which Jenni Minto has already mentioned, was on public health, food safety, animal safety, business, the environment and workers’ rights. Another issue that was striking is the legal impact, which will lead to massive uncertainty. It cuts right across everything. You have made points about devolution and the Sewel convention that I very much agree with. I was struck by the evidence that we had from the head of the Northern Ireland civil service, who said that there was potential for an untenable legislative burden as well as a diversion of resources to ensure a functioning statute book. This Tory Government is acting without any thought as to the range of dangerous impacts of the bill.

My question follows up on questions that my colleagues have asked. Have you or other Scottish Government ministers had parallel discussions with UK Government ministers? You have already mentioned DEFRA, which is clearly a massive issue for us. There is also the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, which will be important in terms of regulations and businesses in the future.

One of the things that I found disturbing in what we have heard is that there is evidence that the impact is already happening. It is not a theoretical issue about what happens next December. Part of the evidence that we heard was about how local government regulates safety and the sense that some businesses are already shifting because of the uncertainty.

There is the issue of what will happen in the future. How do you build that piece of work in the Scottish Government, which will be a huge legislative and civil service burden, and manage the risk assessment to continue to highlight the dangers of the bill and get in place measures for the dangerous worst-case scenario that you have talked about? It could happen this time next year. Can I take you to the January issue? Do you think that the UK civil service will identify all these areas of legislation by January?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

Seriously, what I was thinking is that it goes to the issue of stakeholders. We need to have transparency and to be able to highlight things on the web in the same way as you do, so that we are up to date. It is partly about scrutiny by us, but it is as much about other parliamentary committees and stakeholders.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

What is your expectation of our capacity to scrutinise that as a Parliament—not just this committee, obviously, because most of the other Scottish Parliament committees should scrutinise it—if the process goes through as you currently expect it to?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

I have a quick supplementary question as a result of the convener’s question. Is it possible to get an update on the work that the Scottish Government has done? You last gave us evidence a few weeks ago. It would be quite helpful to get a sense of the progress that you are making or the issues that you are identifying.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

I welcome that. In our first evidence session on the issue, the people round the table were all of the view that it would be far better to retain EU law and then decide what we do not want rather than, as you say, upend the entire process. I cannot remember, as a committee member, an evidence session where we have not heard evidence that disputes the approach. That is really unusual, given the range of organisations that we have had.

On how the Government responds, there is parliamentary accountability to us. I presume that, at UK level, there has to be a parallel to the work that we are doing and the work that is being done in Wales. The Northern Ireland Assembly is not in place at the moment, so there will be no scrutiny by elected representatives there, which must be an issue.

In your work and in the support from the civil service, do you have a ranking in deciding where to start? You mentioned biosecurity. We are not out of the pandemic yet, and there is an issue about transparency and safety, because this approach is potentially, without thought, putting people’s safety at risk.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

That would be helpful.

I have one final minor question, which is on work across the UK. Is the work on the common frameworks still going on and does it have any relation to the bill? I am thinking about how the current Tory Government is operating, because it is a whole set of different ministers.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

Lloyd, do you want to come in here? I have been hearing a lot of talk about water quality regulations not being enforced. The fact is that we take water and air quality for granted. Does the legislation put that quality at risk?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Sarah Boyack

Professor Reid, do you want to come in on that? It is unusual to have a bill in front of us with other bits of legislation being used to say that we should not worry about the bill because these other bits of legislation might help. We do not have the detail of those bits of legislation, either. Is that approach unprecedented?