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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

So, the issue of the proceeds of crime would be dealt with in parallel anyway.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Okay. It seems that no one else has thoughts on that that they wish to share at the moment.

The discussion about what happens if an organisation thinks that an offence has potentially been committed follows on quite nicely from the time issue that the convener brought up and the options for action in that context. If anyone would like to get back to us with further thoughts on that, that would be helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Sorry, just to clarify, should that be in this bill or in existing legislation? Are you saying that there are additional opportunities to hold companies to account?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Do you think that there is an issue about a lack of alignment with EU legislation on that issue?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

I have a final question about the defence of necessity. It is included in the bill. Is it important to have it for exceptional cases?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

That was a very sharp response as well. Thank you. Do Rachel Killean and Ricardo Pereira agree?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Thank you. Ricardo Pereira, do you have a brief comment on that issue?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

Clare Moran, do you want to come in on this?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

The issue of penalties has been mentioned already, but I would like to dive into that a bit more. The bill references penalties of up to 20 years’ imprisonment or an unlimited fine for an individual, and an unlimited fine for an organisation.

The committee has heard views that existing maximum penalties available under the 2014 act do not allow for alignment with developments in EU law under the environmental crime directive. We are interested in your views about the proportionality of the penalties in the bill.

Iain, do you want to come in first?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Sarah Boyack

I see that Rachel Killean wants to answer. Please be brief, because I do not want to take so much time that my colleague cannot ask his questions.