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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

Would it be possible to get a briefing on that so that we can translate what you have said into what that change means for people? It sounds very nice, but I would like to know how people put in a complaint and ask for information. As I understand it, the system no longer involves speaking to someone—it is an automated system. Could you provide us with a briefing on what that means?

Does the redeployment of staff mean that nobody has lost their job? I was told that staff redundancies were coming.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

It would be good to get a briefing on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

The questions follow the discussion about the increased climate impact and nature emergencies that our constituents are experiencing.

SEPA recently updated its assessment of areas that will potentially be vulnerable to flooding between 2028 and 2034. Can you give us an update on that assessment? Has there been much change in the vulnerable areas for that period? I am very conscious that businesses and constituents are increasingly having problems just getting insurance for their properties. It is a real-life issue, now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

From looking at it, it is about having a joined-up approach. If we are here next year having a similar discussion, is it your expectation that we will have the same number of bus services or fewer bus services, and what is the geographic impact of that likely to be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

Thank you. I can say that, as a bus user in an area where I get to use my bus pass, it is fantastic, because we have buses in my region. On the edge of the region, however, I can see the difference. Bus services have to be higher up the political agenda.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

We have seen that a lot of money—around £170,000—is being spent on coaching senior members. Should you not have asked people when they applied for those jobs whether they had those skills?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

It would be very helpful to see that geographic impact, not just at the regional strategic level but down to the constituency level, where we actually support people.

My second question on the issue is about flooding impact. We are two thirds of the way through the period of the river basin management plan, which aims—you are all nodding immediately—to have 81 per cent of all Scotland’s water bodies receiving a “good” or better classification by 2027. Are we on track to deliver that? It is just two years from finishing. What are the key SEPA interventions that are ensuring that we deliver that target?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

I would be particularly interested in an update on the project in Edinburgh and the Lothians that you mentioned, because that is very much on the agenda locally.

That leads me to another question. At the start of the session, you talked about the evolution of the agency and the issue of engaging with constituents and enabling them to get involved. I know that you are putting more information online, but I have been told that you are considering making the 24/7 contact centre automated. There will be a loss of staff with skills and experience, but it will also be much harder for our constituents to feed in questions or get information. Will you comment on that?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

That is why I wanted a briefing on it—to understand what it means in human terms, so that we can convey that to constituents. With things like wild swimming, we now have people who want to know that the water is safe and when they can swim.

So, there are emergencies and there is also the day-to-day communication and the ability for people to talk to each other. A briefing on that would be useful.

My second point is about the reset and reboot of SEPA that Nicole Paterson talked about at the start. I want to ask about the redeployment of staff and whether staff redundancies are being made or jobs are being contracted out. It has been suggested to me that jobs are being contracted out and that the process is not very transparent. One example that I was given was the Adaptovate contract. The contract is worth £250,000 but, because it is in phases, it is not subject to Scottish Government scrutiny or accountability. Will you comment on the Adaptovate contract, other redeployments and the potential loss of staff due to contracting out?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Sarah Boyack

That is useful. I was told that it had been awarded without a tender, so it would be useful to have some detailed feedback on that.

To raise awareness of change, you have to bring everyone with you, and it is about ensuring that all the skills of the SEPA staff are used. I want to flag that, given that I am the sub for Monica Lennon, quite a lot of concerns have been raised with me about that in advance of today’s meeting. That was not weeks ago; rather, people immediately got in touch when they clocked that I would be here today and would have the chance to ask those questions, to make you aware that some staff are concerned about losing opportunities.