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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

I do not want us to have a long conversation about that because others have views that they will want to give, but the question that arises is whether we need the sticking plaster now, before the Government can go back and do a full review.

11:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

Thank you. Sorry, I was not trying to shut out the rest of the panel, but I thought it was important to get to that. Has anyone got anything to add, or is everyone happy with that?

Rachel, I am sorry—we did not see your hand or your R in the chat.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

I almost wish I had never asked. [Laughter.]

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

How would you characterise RO, then?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

Those other decisions would normally be taken in conjunction with their parents. Parents come to parents night and are with their children while they choose their subjects. When giving the right to the child to opt out, how do you involve parents?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

The objective of part 1 of the bill is to comply with the UNCRC, as well as to provide coherence and clarity on the process of withdrawal from RME. It is clear that folk believe that the bill does not really comply with the UNCRC, so I will not ask you whether it does. I suppose that my question is about how we make it comply. How do we make the bill achieve the objectives that the Government has set out?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

I would like to ask a couple of questions, because things have occurred to me as I have been listening to people’s answers.

Given what people are saying about the current situation, could the bill make improvements through the guidance on its implementation that will accompany it? Would that help address the issue with schools taking different approaches? I direct that question to Leah Rivka first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

I have a question for those who are from faith schools. It was mentioned that the belief of the faith school runs through the whole curriculum, not just through RO and RME. How will the bill impact on that? Will it create an issue? Perhaps Barbara Coupar could answer that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

The bill’s objective is to comply with the UNCRC as well as to give coherence and clarity to the process of withdrawing from RO and RME, but we have been hearing concerns about whether it achieves those objectives. Is there anything that we can do to amend the bill to ensure that it does? I am conscious of the time, so perhaps it should be something that you have not already mentioned.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Rhoda Grant

Do you think that religious and moral education should come out of the scope of the bill? Is it so different that it should not be in the bill at all?