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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Can you remember a time when drugs were not such a big issue in the Scottish Prison Service?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

An important factor is the spin-off of having prisoners on those kinds of drugs, and the impact on their mental health makes it even harder.

I asked the Prison Officers Association about the suggestion that drugs get into prisons through either the coercion of prison staff or their being offered possible financial benefits. You probably heard the POA’s response to that, which was something that I had not thought about. If staff spot something that does not look right, they report it in the interests of self-protection and staying safe. There is not a high prevalence of what I am talking about, but it would be helpful to get your comments on it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I understand that. That is what I am getting at. However, we have to be hopeful. The Government is not doing nothing. Something is happening. I caveat this heavily by saying that the prison population could again go up above 8,000, so it could use up the space that you have.

I would just like the reassurance, which you might not be able to give, that we are thinking ahead to a point at which we might be able to alleviate some of the pressures in 2027 or 2028 and beyond.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

If we did not know it before this inquiry, we certainly know now how hard it is to be a prison officer and the dedication that is needed, especially now that our prisons are overcrowded. I just wanted to put that on the record.

Your submission talks about the exposure of your members—prison staff—to vapes and drugs. That is an aspect of the job that we must now take into account in this inquiry. Is that affecting your ability to attract young people—or those who want to change careers—into the service?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

That was really helpful. There are others in the public sector—the police, for example—who do a difficult job on the street, but the closed environment of a prison is unique, and it is important to say that.

Lastly, when someone has been terrorised, do they tend to come to the union for support?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is there any internal guidance that is used to perhaps spot somebody who might be under pressure?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, do you want to add anything from a police perspective?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

What I am driving at is that overcrowding is one of the central issues in managing all the pressures that you have mentioned to the committee. I accept that the provision of more prison places does not mean to say that the problem will be solved, but I hope that it will give more scope for less overcrowding and doubling up. Jim, can you answer that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I am just trying to envisage whether anything that will alleviate the pressures that prisons are under and that will keep prisoners and staff safe is going to happen in the future. I would have thought that you would already be planning for some of those things. I think that Inverness is also doubling capacity. That is not everything, but it is something to cling on to. I thought that you might be planning for that.