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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

You said in your submission that provision depends on what prison someone ends up in. Do specific prisons not provide recovery programmes, or is it random? Are there specific prisons that you could point to and say, “If you get moved to that prison, you will not get a programme of recovery”?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is it down to governors?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. I take the point that we are clearly locking too many people up, given that those on remand are a quarter of the prison population, but I am interested to hear that they do not seem to get access to the same treatment while they are there. I understand that there are some legal aspects to how remand prisoners are treated, but when it comes to support, if they have started taking drugs while they are in jail—the number of prisoners who do so is high enough—there surely should be no distinction between prisoners and remand prisoners? What do you think, Gemma?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

I am glad you added that in, because I have a case exactly like that in Glasgow right now.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Suzy Calder, I think, described the different ways that drugs can enter prisons. Do you have a focus on any of those in particular? For example, do you focus on exchanges during visits or on drones?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. The evidence session has been very informative so far. I want to continue on the theme of how drugs get into prisons. That is what the public want to know. They do not understand the complexity of what you are dealing with or the different ways that drugs get into prisons. I will continue Sharon Dowey’s line of questioning on the use of drones and your successes in tackling that, which was good to read about.

10:45  

Stephen Coyle, you said that, sometimes, drones will drop drugs packages outside the prison windows. How do criminals communicate with prisoners? How do prisoners know where the packages are and who they are for? How does the communication network work, and are you able to subvert it in any way?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Sure.

My final question is perhaps for Stephen Coyle to answer. I am just trying to build up a picture of the previously non-drug-using cohort. To your knowledge, are they targeted by criminals outside the jails?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Do prisoners routinely use mobile phones?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you.

I have spoken to many families, including a couple of families of people who have died in custody, who have said that their loved one was not a drug user and did not have a drug addiction before they went into prison. The committee has raised concerns about this many times. We know about the really hard job that you have in maintaining order in prisons when they are overcrowded, but some prisoners are spending 23 hours in a cell. That must have an impact on their mental health. They are not doing recreational activities, for example. What is leading to drug use by those prisoners and are you dealing with them in specific ways, or is it all the same strategy? What Kirsten Horsburgh is describing is the situation in relation to people who were drug users in the community, who offended as a result and ended up in jail. However, there is still a significant proportion of prisoners—you can correct me on the figure, but I think that the survey shows that it is about 17 per cent—who were not drug users when they went into jail.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

So, if you see someone who has been locked up in a cell—or, in Barlinnie, doubled up in a cell—and who might be at risk, do you identify them as such? Obviously, a significant number of prisoners are at risk, which could be for a variety of reasons.