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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 January 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

If we did not know it before this inquiry, we certainly know now how hard it is to be a prison officer and the dedication that is needed, especially now that our prisons are overcrowded. I just wanted to put that on the record.

Your submission talks about the exposure of your members—prison staff—to vapes and drugs. That is an aspect of the job that we must now take into account in this inquiry. Is that affecting your ability to attract young people—or those who want to change careers—into the service?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

That was really helpful. There are others in the public sector—the police, for example—who do a difficult job on the street, but the closed environment of a prison is unique, and it is important to say that.

Lastly, when someone has been terrorised, do they tend to come to the union for support?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is there any internal guidance that is used to perhaps spot somebody who might be under pressure?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, do you want to add anything from a police perspective?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

What I am driving at is that overcrowding is one of the central issues in managing all the pressures that you have mentioned to the committee. I accept that the provision of more prison places does not mean to say that the problem will be solved, but I hope that it will give more scope for less overcrowding and doubling up. Jim, can you answer that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

I am just trying to envisage whether anything that will alleviate the pressures that prisons are under and that will keep prisoners and staff safe is going to happen in the future. I would have thought that you would already be planning for some of those things. I think that Inverness is also doubling capacity. That is not everything, but it is something to cling on to. I thought that you might be planning for that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is the SPS planning for the possibility that, should the prison population remain broadly the same, you would have scope to do more because you will have more space?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. That is useful to know.

When we visited HMP Edinburgh, we had a discussion about the window grilles, which Liam Kerr talked about, and drones. I think that there was something about this in your submission—or there is something in the papers to back this up. It was suggested that, through the use of drones, weapons are going to come into prisons—or maybe that is already happening. Can you tell the committee anything about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. My last question is a bit more sensitive, but I feel that I have just got to ask it, and you may answer it however you wish. There has been some suggestion that drugs are brought into prison by prison staff, either for financial benefit or because of what you have been talking about—the level of organised crime in prisons, which is difficult to manage. Is that something that you have heard? Are you able to talk about that? If so, what steps would be taken to deal with it? It would be helpful to get an answer on that.