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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
I am the First Minister. You can—
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
Indeed.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
I assume so. Ultimately, I do not end up at places, making announcements, unless I have agreed to do so. If it was in the way that these things happen, it would have come to me as a proposal that, because of the nature of the announcement, it was appropriate for me to do it, and I would have agreed. Obviously, it is common sense to say that I must have agreed to that, because otherwise I would not have been there, making the announcement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
It was several years ago, so I will not say that I can tell you the exact sequence of events from memory, but, in the normal course of events—I have no reason to believe that it would have been different here—it is unlikely that I would have instigated it, because I would not necessarily have had knowledge that it was coming up on that date. It would have come to me as a proposal, and such proposals come to me regularly. The Government makes announcements—if not every day, then regularly, several times a week—and in all of those there will be a process of judgment about who is the right person to make the announcement. When the judgment is that it should be me, that will come to me as a proposal, and I am pretty certain that that is what would have happened here.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
If there are any points beyond those answers that the committee wants to explore, that is obviously why I am here today.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
Yes—I see no reason why not.
I am not going back on the commitment that I gave earlier but, since you are asking me about that, I want to say something for the record—although everything that I say here is on the record; that is understood. As you know, there is a requirement for the Government to assess anything that it puts in the public domain to make sure that legally privileged or commercially confidential information is being treated appropriately. With that caveat about the process that we need to go through, I see no reason why not.
I have been paraphrasing—although paraphrasing pretty closely—what was in the briefing in terms of the advice that was given to me about the on-going negotiations, and I certainly see no reason why I cannot provide that to the committee.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
That is what I am saying: I was not involved personally in that decision.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
From memory, I think that it was a special adviser who was with me. I asked for some work to be done out of that meeting.
That meeting was on 31 May 2017. By that point, there were already concerns about slippage in the contract. There were concerns about what I would describe as the cash flow and financial position of FMEL, so when Jim McColl asked to see me, it was reasonable that I spoke to him, given the importance of the contract, which we are reflecting on now.
You have seen all the material that will tell you what the issues were that were of concern to him and to us at the time, which were around the finances. There had already been discussion about the changing of the milestone payments. The reduction of the final 25 per cent payment to 10 per cent freed up £17 million to help with cash flow. Jim was and has been publicly—although not since then—of the view that he had money unfairly tied up in the surety bond.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
Special advisers are civil servants—they are temporary civil servants—so that was not an issue in that respect. You say that the meeting was a “big deal”—
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Nicola Sturgeon
The Government’s position is that, ultimately, we want all the commercial assets that we have taken ownership of to be back in the private sector, but we will have to make decisions about the point at which that becomes viable. We have not reached the point of decision on Ferguson’s.