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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

The plans and projects that exist are all very good and worthy in and of themselves, but some of them are probably focused more on delivery of net zero than necessarily on a just transition. There will be an obvious fault line between trying to generate the transition and focusing on the “just” aspect of it in relation to fairness and the principles that you have established.

If there is to be funding for a just transition, should it be mainstreamed in the areas that have already been mentioned—housing, energy and transport, for example—with private companies involved, or would there be merit in having stand-alone just transition plans that were supported by funds? If criteria had to be met for those funds, would the commission advise on that? If you are advising on the sector just transition plans, are you also advising on the criteria for funding, or is that still work in progress?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

The committee would be interested in that. We have to determine what we, as a committee, want to do, and you might want to advise us on what it would be most useful for us to do. There is no point in our repeating work that you are doing, but we need to work in synergy somehow.

If we are being quite innovative, in a global sense, in our approach to the just transition, the challenge is that we have to make difficult choices. Will we need to make big, bold decisions relating to the just transition in Scotland, or will piecemeal, segmented activity with seedcorn funding provide a way forward? That is a genuine dilemma. Has the commission discussed that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

The committee could focus on skills. Some of the skills that need to be developed might not be used to deliver projects until five years’ time, for example, but if we do not start investing in the supply chain and developing those skills now, we will not necessarily be able to deliver and scale up, particularly in relation to renewables, when work needs to be done at pace. The issue is how we support supply chain companies that use engineering skills, for example, to make those investments and decisions now, given that they might not necessarily reap the rewards for five years. A genuine transition challenge relates to how we support companies to do that, and that might require state subsidy. We need to think about the issue in those terms. Will the commission look at that, and should the committee potentially look at it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I should probably point out that I am the only MSP who sits on the Economy and Fair Work Committee and on the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, to which Professor Skea has also given evidence. I am interested in how we dial up the just transition focus in this committee and respect what that other committee might be looking at, such as land use, land reform and transport. It is about how we get that read-across.

I want to ask specifically about the just transition fund that exists for the north-east and Moray, which obviously involves focusing and making a decision on a place-based approach to just transition. Did your commission advise the Government in advance of the announcement of the initial £50 million funding for the 24 projects in the first tranche?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water (Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22)

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I also want to ask about your relationship with SEPA, which will clearly cover not just net zero and the climate change emergency but the biodiversity crisis that we have to deal with, too. Peter Farrer mentioned SEPA in particular, but other regulators are involved. Does that regulatory set-up work when we are facing those twin crises? How do you work with SEPA in its regulatory role?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water (Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22)

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I will initially focus on net zero, directing my questions first to Douglas Millican and then to Johanna Dow, if she thinks that she can come in as well.

I have a fairly open question. What progress has been made on Scottish Water’s route map to net zero? What are the key challenges ahead? Witnesses might wish to break those down into short-term, medium-term and long-term challenges. Are you happy to answer that, Douglas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water (Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22)

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Are you apologising to me or to the panel? [Laughter.]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water (Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22)

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Clearly, net zero is the most important ambition for us all if we are going to make a difference to our planet. We have just come through the 27th United Nations climate change conference of the parties—COP27—and Scottish Water has key responsibilities in that area. My question is about your route map to net zero and what progress has been made. Further, what are the key challenges in the short, medium and long term? I will go to Douglas Millican first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water (Annual Report and Accounts 2021-22)

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I think that we all want to thank those Scottish Water workers for what they did during that period.

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