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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Is building bigger ferries the natural evolution because those are more profitable?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Harald Høyem, what is your view on whether ferry operators prefer to have a large vessel with fewer sailings or two or more vessels that operate? Are staffing issues leading to bigger vessels, as we have just heard from Dag Hole? What is your experience?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Has that perhaps been lacking to date?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I put the same questions to NorthLink, and you can decide who might be most appropriate to answer. What role have you had with project Neptune? Do you have a view on what would be the best operating and organisational model for the future of our ferry service in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I have finished my questions, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I want to move on to the future of ferries, which is the subject of this inquiry. I will put this question of Robbie Drummond first. What involvement have you had in project Neptune? Do you have any views on its recommendations? There is speculation about a possible merger of Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd and CalMac Ferries. This is your opportunity to say publicly what your view is. How do you think the organisation or organisations tasked with ferry delivery should be structured? I think that you were listening into the session with our Norwegian witnesses, who have a completely different model. Do we need to be a bit more radical about what we are proposing for the future?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I think that the 12-month extension is a pragmatic move. It is a wise thing to do for a number of reasons. However, I am less convinced that the engagement with churches has been what it needs to be, particularly bearing in mind the points that have been made about companies and the original legislation, and the fact that there were other means by which the information in question could be sought. It has also been brought to our attention that the Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill, which is currently going through the Parliament, has a requirement on transparency, whereby trustee information must be included.

It was interesting that the minister set out the four kinds of information that are required. If use could be made of the 12-month period to look at the practicalities involved in those four areas, perhaps something sensible could be arrived at. I think that the worst thing that we could do is not approve the instrument, because we need the time for such consideration to take place. However, we need to take close cognisance of the points that have been made.

The minister is absolutely right to say that we must have standards for everybody and that, if we have exemptions for one group, that can lead to inequities elsewhere. That has obviously been the judgment that has been taken so far, in deciding not to look at policy reform. I think that there might be an intelligent way to address the issue, because many churches are very vulnerable at the moment, and they are helping vulnerable people. In some areas, the proposed requirement might deter people from taking on responsibilities, which is the last thing that we want to do. If anything, land reform is about getting people to take more responsibility and to be transparent, but our churches probably need a bit more support and engagement.

I propose that we support the instrument, but we must keep a close eye on the situation. I will be interested to see how engagement proceeds with the Church of Scotland in the forthcoming year.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning. We are very grateful to the witnesses for joining us today. I am interested in the experience of ferry operators and how they prefer to provide capacity. Does the model that is used involve larger vessels that provide fewer sailings, or do two or more smaller vessels that operate on the same route provide more frequent services? What are the advantages and disadvantages of that?

Dag Hole, on slide 10 of the submission that you sent us, you talk about pilots, time in the market and innovations. I am interested in whether things have evolved over time and what the timeframe has been to get to the stage that you are at now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

It was about the choice by ferry operators to operate either one large vessel that can provide fewer sailings but take more passengers or freight, or smaller vessels that can sail more frequently. Is there any preference? Is there a specific system that they operate?