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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I would like to know who funds the innovation for your hydrogen ferries. I am also intrigued by the fact that you have an automatic ferry that has apparently run already. Where does the funding come from for that? Are the tender companies going to the market to get long-term investment for that? How is it being funded and how is your hydrogen project coming along?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Are there any hydrogen ferries in development? Are there any being deployed? What is the current status?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Where the hydrogen is coming from? Is it naturally sourced from converted wind to green hydrogen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

We will watch with great interest. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I will put this question primarily to Robbie Drummond. There seems to be a significant gap in how passengers have described their recent experiences of ferry travel to this committee and the picture that was painted by the statistics and information we received from you—you have latterly given us additional information on that. For example, the committee has heard that people are having to travel several days before a medical appointment on the mainland to ensure that they can get there on time, despite what we hear from CalMac concerning assurances about reliability and arrangements for emergency travel. Why is there this disconnect between what we have been told directly by your passengers on our visits to island communities, and what your organisation has told us is available?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

That is very general and does not tell us what your organisation’s views are. You have implied that people need to be accountable for different parts of the service, but there is the complexity that sometimes CalMac has been blamed for things that are the responsibility of CMAL or perhaps Transport Scotland. I want to draw you out somewhat. Do you think that the current complexity means that there is a lack of responsiveness and accountability?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I want to take us back to the weather and to Robbie Drummond. We have received a submission from the Mull and Iona Ferry Committee—you will not have seen that, but we are happy for you to respond to it once you have had a chance to see it. The Mull and Iona Ferry Committee has looked at freedom of information data from CalMac over the past 22 years and Met Office analysis of wind recordings, and it has said that the number of weather-related cancellations in comparable winters has increased by around a factor of 10.

Bearing in mind that safety and the decisions of masters are absolutely paramount, the Mull and Iona Ferry Committee’s reflection on the engagement with CalMac is that there are issues relating to the tracking of the weather experience and whether there has been a significant decline, the potential of external factors, tighter regulation, a more litigious environment, and a fear of prosecution of masters. There might be other forces that are perhaps leading to a more restrictive view of whether it is safe to travel.

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We also heard that on our visits. Anecdotally, people reflected that, in the past, masters would perhaps have sailed, whereas now they do not.

Feel free to come back to us once you have seen the submission, but do you have any reflections on changing behaviour and who is looking strategically at whether that is really happening? Do you acknowledge that that is happening? Where does that put masters’ decision making? Are they taking more conservative approaches because of the changing nature of potential issues around legal challenges, for example?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Is there any reflection from NorthLink Ferries? You said that weather is less of a disruption for you. Do you have any comments about masters’ judgments and changes in the law over the past 10 to 20 years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Would Robbie Drummond welcome a more strategic approach? As Mark Ruskell indicated, climate change is happening. What does that mean for our seas and the experience of them? Who takes responsibility for that? Is that simply left to you as an operator to deal with on an operational basis, or do you engage with Transport Scotland on what future needs might be? If we have different types of ferries, such as electric, battery and hydrogen ferries—who knows?—where will the weather analysis come from? Who is leading on that? Who should lead on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

It is clear that churches are concerned. There are many concerns. The fact that, following the transitional period, criminal penalties will apply for non-compliance is of concern to church trustees. Three specified individuals would have to be named. Churches change their office bearers, as do various organisations, so the anxiety is understandable.

I think that you are saying that you think that the extra year will give them more time to do what you wanted them to do in the first place. I am a bit concerned that there has not been the level of engagement that there could have been. I understand that the churches are saying that they have not had a response since their meeting with you in September. Therefore, I think that there is a genuine issue here.

I recognise the need for openness and transparency in land reform, which I am very supportive of, but I think that there are some practical difficulties. Like many organisations that have come through the pandemic, churches are having to re-establish themselves and so on. Can you reassure us that you will continue to engage with the churches in order to work out a way forward, so that the new requirement does not overburden them or worry them unnecessarily?